X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from hub026-NJ-5.exch026.serverdata.net ([206.225.166.168] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.3) with ESMTPS id 5361133 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:08:27 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.225.166.168; envelope-from=jwhaley@datacast.com Received: from MBX026-E1-NJ-6.exch026.domain.local ([10.240.14.56]) by HUB026-NJ-5.exch026.domain.local ([10.240.14.42]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:07:51 -0800 From: Jeff Whaley To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' Subject: RE: Top 7 reasons for using an auto conversion Thread-Topic: RE: Top 7 reasons for using an auto conversion Thread-Index: AczZ6VYUR9cBo27vS7OlR8zeoFeMlA== Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:07:50 +0000 Message-ID: <234B758DE9A64449BEB6BB5D1345CA7AEF78E4@mbx026-e1-nj-6.exch026.domain.local> Accept-Language: en-CA, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [209.87.232.162] Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_005_234B758DE9A64449BEB6BB5D1345CA7AEF78E4mbx026e1nj6exch02_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 --_005_234B758DE9A64449BEB6BB5D1345CA7AEF78E4mbx026e1nj6exch02_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_234B758DE9A64449BEB6BB5D1345CA7AEF78E4mbx026e1nj6exch02_" --_000_234B758DE9A64449BEB6BB5D1345CA7AEF78E4mbx026e1nj6exch02_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with Items 2-6 Pat and don't think there needs to be any more reaso= ns. Items 2-4 are by far the main reasons why I chose an auto conversion; = Item 6 is a nice side benefit for the Rotary but not the reason why I chose= the rotary. I chose the rotary because of its relative simplicity, power-t= o-weight-ratio, the fact that at the time of installation there was an acti= ve builders group such as this one and that someone (Tracy crook) had alrea= dy made flight-proven components readily available. Item #1: Cost to install at 50% may be true but for most people getting to = 25% is nearly impossible. Jeff From: Patrick Panzera Subject: Top 7 reasons for using an auto conversion Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 14:51:08 -0800 To: CorvAIRCRAFT@yahoogroups.com, Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft , Rotary motors in aircraft [Message Header] [Undecoded Message] Here's what I wrote. I was asked to keep the comments short: Top Seven Reasons to Consider an Automobile Conversion 1. Cost to install. When compared to the cost of a new aircraft engine, = a fully installed and properly functioning automobile engine can run 25% to= 50% of its certified counterpart when compared new-to-new. 2. Cost to rebuild. When rebuilding an auto conversion, it can typically= be brought to zero-time with all new parts for what a used yellow-tagged a= ircraft crankshaft costs, that's if your core is serviceable. 3. Cost to operate. Most auto conversions can be operated on automobile = fuel, cutting the per-gallon cost nearly in half. Modern auto conversions h= ave tight tolerances eliminating the need to add oil between changes. 4. Cost to maintain. Aircraft spark plugs range from $26 to $60 each. Au= tomobile plugs are one tenth of that and typically require half as many. Th= e same can be said for virtually every maintenance item. 5. Convenience. Nearly every part you might need to repair or maintain y= our auto conversion can be purchased from any number of suppliers in your h= ome town, even on Sunday, or are a short drive from what ever airport you m= ight have landed at. 6. Smoothness. Virtually every auto conversion is noticeably smoother th= an its aviation counterpart, reducing fatigue on components and occupants. 7. Because you can. Why are we building an airplane in the first place? = If all you are after is the performance offered by homebuilt aircraft, why = not just buy one second hand? Most of us build because we want to build. Th= ere's a great amount of satisfaction that stems from standing back and sayi= ng, "I built that." The same applies for an automobile engine conversion, e= specially if it's never been done before. And remember, there are a lot of experimental aircraft that were designed (= and proven) from the beginning to use an auto conversion, so many of the po= ints for a certified engine aren't relevant, and many of the reasons agains= t an auto conversion also apply to those who would consider installing an a= ircraft powerplant where an auto conversion is specified. This message, and the documents attached hereto, is intended only for the a= ddressee and may contain privileged or confidential information. Any unauth= orized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message= in error, please notify us immediately so that we may correct our internal= records. Please then delete the original message. Thank you. --_000_234B758DE9A64449BEB6BB5D1345CA7AEF78E4mbx026e1nj6exch02_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree with Items = 2-6 Pat and don’t think there needs to be any more reasons. Items 2-4= are by far the main reasons why I chose  an auto conversion; Item 6 i= s a nice side benefit for the Rotary but not the reason why I chose the rotary. I chose the rotary because of its relative = simplicity, power-to-weight-ratio, the fact that at the time of installatio= n there was an active builders group such as this one and that someone (Tra= cy crook) had already made flight-proven components readily available.

Item #1: Cost to in= stall at 50% may be true but for most people getting to 25% is nearly impos= sible.

Jeff

 

From:

Patrick Panzera <editor@contactmagaz= ine.com>

Subject:

Top 7 reasons for using an auto convers= ion

Date:

Sun, 22 Jan 2012 14:51:08 -0800<= /p>

To:

CorvAIRCRAFT@yahoogroups.com, Corvair e= ngines for homebuilt aircraft <corvaircraft@mylist.net>, Rotary motor= s in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

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Here's what I wrote.

I was asked to keep the comments short:

 

Top Seven Reasons to = Consider an Automobile Conversion

 

1.    Cost to install.2.    Cost to rebuild.3.    Cost to operate.4.    Cost to maintain. Aircraft spark plugs range from $26 to $60 each. Automobile plugs are o= ne tenth of that and typically require half as many. The same can be said for=  virtually every maintenance item.

5.    Convenience.&n= bsp;Nearly every part you might need to repair or maintain your auto conver= sion can be purchased from any number of suppliers in your home town, even on Sunda= y, or are a short drive from what ever airport you might have landed at.

6.    Smoothness. Vi= rtually every auto conversion is noticeably smoother than its aviation coun= terpart, reducing fatigue on components and occupants.

7.    Because you can.And remember, there are = a lot of experimental aircraft that were designed (and proven) from the beg= inning to use an auto conversion, so many of the points for a certified engine aren't relevant, and many of the re= asons against an auto conversion also apply to those who would consider ins= talling an aircraft powerplant where an auto conversion is specif= ied. 

 

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