X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [64.129.170.194] (HELO VIRCOM1.fcdata.private) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.3) with ESMTP id 5351306 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:20:19 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.129.170.194; envelope-from=cbarber@texasattorney.net Received: from FCD-MAIL06.FCDATA.PRIVATE (unverified [172.16.5.23]) by VIRCOM1.fcdata.private (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.1024.13396) with ESMTP id for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:18:53 -0600 X-Modus-BlackList: 172.16.5.23=OK;cbarber@texasattorney.net=OK X-Modus-RBL: 172.16.5.23=Excluded X-Modus-Trusted: 172.16.5.23=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Received: from FCD-MAIL05.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([fe80::809d:a06e:5913:452e]) by FCD-MAIL06.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([fe80::697f:d6aa:b87:78d8%17]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:19:41 -0600 From: Chris Barber To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Newbie to list Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: Newbie to list Thread-Index: AQHM05GSAFQ362YBakGNZ+wV3Ryyh5YNyzIQ Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:19:27 +0000 Message-ID: <2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D30D94979A4@FCD-MAIL05.FCDATA.PRIVATE> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [99.98.105.202] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D30D94979A4FCDMAIL05FCDATA_" MIME-Version: 1.0 --_000_2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D30D94979A4FCDMAIL05FCDATA_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill B said.....help you with almost any problem. We have had all of them! Hey, I am having some issue thinking that is NOT directed to me.....;-) Se= ems I have had them all plus some....but so far, only on the ground....so f= ar. Geesh. Now, Gordon, not to dissuade you, but I gotta ask, why are you wanting to g= o "plugs up"? Ed mentioned a couple of the advantages (which I consider pr= etty minor) and in the old days, IIRC, plugs up was used to allow top clear= ance, especially with the old school distributors. However, that is not a = big an issue now. Also, your turbo may take a lot of room unless remotely = mounted. I think that the Defiant (kewl plane BTW) has quite a bit a room = compared to some planes....EZ's come to mind. Heck, the EZ I saw with a rot= ary must of been installed with a shoe horn. While not overly roomy, my tu= rbo rotary 13b, in my Velocity would have been much more difficult, I think= , plugs up, especially since it would have required even more fabrication..= .which may not be an issue for you..... Chris Barber Turbo Rotary in Velocity SE/FG Dynon EFIS and EM RWS EM2, EC2 and PSRU RD-b The tech took my transponder since it was not properly reporting altitude t= o have a look....but when that problems is solved....on to a squawk party a= nd then to call a DAR.....YIKES! ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of = Bill Bradburry [bbradburry@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:25 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Newbie to list Welcome, Gordon! Wikipedia claims only 100 sets of plans for the Defiant were sold. How far= along is your plane now? You will shortly hear from Ed Anderson I am cert= ain. He is the plugs up guru for this list. You will find a lot of really= sharp guys here that can help you with almost any problem. We have had al= l of them! Bill B ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Beh= alf Of Gordon Alling Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:30 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Newbie to list Hi all, I=92m new to the flyrotary (FR) list and am building a Defiant with two tur= bo 13Bs. I am looking at mounting the engines =93plugs up=94 as described = by Neil Kruiswyk and tried to contact him at the home.com address listed on= the FR website. My e-mail keeps bouncing back. Does anyone have a curren= t address for Neil? Beyond that, I would like to identify others that have mounted these engine= s sideways (plugs-up). How many hours do your projects have on these insta= llations? What issues have you uncovered that may be related to the plugs-= up orientation? Has anyone found (more than expected) difficulty cooling t= hat may be related to air pockets in the cooling jacket? What about engine mounting? How do you grab the engine block? Have you lo= oked at the stresses at the attach points? I=92m also considering a constant speed prop. Tracy Crook advises me that = his PSRU will accept only electrically adjustable props and I have identifi= ed IVO and MT as possible suppliers. Are there other electrically adjustab= le props in this power category? Are there other PSRUs that accept a hydra= ulically actuated prop adjustment? Thanks in advance for any advice you all can offer. Gordon C. Alling, Jr., PE President acumen Engineering/Analysis, Inc. 540-786-2200 www.acumen-ea.com --_000_2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D30D94979A4FCDMAIL05FCDATA_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bill B said.....help you with alm= ost any problem. We have had all of them!

 

Hey, I am having some issue think= ing that is NOT directed to me.....;-)  Seems I have had them all plus= some....but so far, only on the ground....so far.  Geesh.

 

Now, Gordon, not to dissuade= you, but I gotta ask, why are you wanting= to go "plugs up"?  Ed mentioned a couple of the advantages = (which I consider pretty minor) and in the old days, IIRC<= /a>, plugs up was used to allow top clearance, especially with the old school d= istributors.  However, that is not a big an issue now.  Also, you= r turbo may take a lot of room unless remotely mounted.&= nbsp; I think that the Defiant (kewl plane BTW) has quite a bit a room compared to some planes....EZ's come to mind. Heck, the EZ I saw wit= h a rotary must of been installed with a shoe horn.  While not ov= erly roomy, my turbo rotary 13b, in my Velocity would have been much more difficult, I think, plugs up,&nbs= p;especially since it would have required even more fabrication...wh= ich may not be an issue for you.....

 

Chris Barber

Turbo Rotary in Velocity SE/FG=

Dynon EFIS and EM

RWS EM2,&nbs= p;EC2 and PSRU RD-b

The tech took my transponder sinc= e it was not properly reporting altitude to have a look....but when that pr= oblems is solved....on to a squawk party and then to call a DAR.....YI= KES!

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@= lancaironline.net] on behalf of Bill Bradburry [bbradburry@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:25 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Newbie to list

Welcome, Gordon= !

&= nbsp;

Wikipedia claim= s only 100 sets of plans for the Defiant were sold.  How far along is = your plane now?  You will shortly hear from Ed Anderson I am certain.  He is the plugs up guru for this list.  = You will find a lot of really sharp guys here that can help you with almost= any problem.  We have had all of them!

&= nbsp;

Bill B

&= nbsp;

From:= Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.n= et] On Behalf Of Gordon Alling<= br> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2= 012 8:30 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircra= ft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Newbie= to list

 

Hi all,

 

I=92m new to the flyrotary (FR) list and am building a Defian= t with two turbo 13Bs.  I am looking at mounting the engines =93plugs = up=94 as described by Neil Kruiswyk and tried to contact him at the home.com address listed on the FR website.  My e-mail keep= s bouncing back.  Does anyone have a current address for Neil?<= /font>

 

Beyond that, I would like to identify others that have mounte= d these engines sideways (plugs-up).  How many hours do your projects = have on these installations?  What issues have you uncovered that may be related to the plugs-up orientation?  Has a= nyone found (more than expected) difficulty cooling that may be related to = air pockets in the cooling jacket?

 

What about engine mounting?  How do you grab the engine = block?  Have you looked at the stresses at the attach points?

 

I=92m also considering a constant speed prop.  Tracy Cro= ok advises me that his PSRU will accept only electrically adjustable props = and I have identified IVO and MT as possible suppliers.  Are there other electrically adjustable props in this power category? = ; Are there other PSRUs that accept a hydraulically actuated prop adjustmen= t?

 

Thanks in advance for any advice you all can offer.

 

Gordon C. Alling, Jr., PE

President

acumen Engineering/Analysis, Inc.

 

540-786-2200

= www.acumen-ea.com

 

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