X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mta21.charter.net ([216.33.127.81] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTP id 5189225 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 18:43:56 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.33.127.81; envelope-from=cardmarc@charter.net Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20111106234322.BJCS4102.mta21.charter.net@imp11> for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:43:22 -0500 Received: from HomeDesktop ([97.94.211.19]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id tzjM1h00K0RfuG105zjM09; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 18:43:22 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=3kn4snR/2TdwuYXvh+wm0CPnSGzQFWY7ukd303aPFv0= c=1 sm=1 a=cTBwTcxRopoA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=yLkbKqhOuQdXOOaWaqNdaA==:17 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=N8B9JuSIAAAA:8 a=g31yV6PoA8bCQpTs634A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=Q6rpUJWPM0Nog6H1:21 a=_4ezrnfeYzStIYrm:21 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=tPQI63HHttb4lXRC55QA:9 a=Eaq7_GcuIyB6E_nhzRQA:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=qhIHd9qVruSy9cKd:21 a=0cOAgTVSWK7sdwdK:21 a=yLkbKqhOuQdXOOaWaqNdaA==:117 From: "Marc Wiese" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Where's the Buttons? Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:43:21 -0600 Message-ID: <00cf01cc9cdd$de615d10$9b241730$@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D0_01CC9CAB.93CBCF10" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQEbRytpDA+OfBMnV/7UP3lo8knATpcDLNYQ Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01CC9CAB.93CBCF10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe all the FD engines (13Brew's) use solid corner seals with a different looking spring behind them (not wire spring)-it has two 'paddles' on the end of a C shaped affair. Marc Wiese From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Chris Barber Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 12:25 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Where's the Buttons? I was missing some corner seals too at my last tear down. I ordered more. It wasn't until after I received them that it dawned on me what the long rubber strips I got with Tracy's kit were for. DOH! Yeah, and they are letting me try to build an airplane.... Seems that I read that the rubber corner seals were there more for emissions and could be omitted or replaces with solid ones. Again, IIRC. Seems I read it in a post from Lynne but hell, it could have been on a "boy racers" websight so please research an verify. CYA does not always mean "Call Your Attorney". Chris Attorney ;-) Sent from my iPhone 4 On Nov 5, 2011, at 11:15 AM, "Kelly Troyer" wrote: Dave, Cannot tell what to do concerning your TES "O" rings (I have them also) as I have no operational experience with them yet but considering the hours you have on your engine (And you have been known to "Flog" it)........<:)... I would just go back with TES "O" rings in light of the extra heat load your Turbo adds to the engine........... Concerning the corner seal rubber buttons it seems that they end up reverting back to carbon and lose all elasticity (particularity under high heat) and become useless for their original purpose which was to give slightly increased compression at starter speeds...........I personally will use the solid racing corner seals available from Mazda and other sources.................IMHO Kelly Troyer "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) "13B ROTARY"_ Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo From: David Leonard To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 10:32 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Where's the Buttons? I just finished tearing down my engine. I am doing a rebuild for low compression on one of the faces (determined by a change in the force required to pull the prop through on that face and a quiet 'ka-chunk'), and some leaking of combustion gasses into coolant causing occasional loss of coolant if not checked before every flight. Results of tear down.. Where are the rubber buttons? There are no rubber buttons in any of the corner seals.. not even a residue. Do they usually disappear?? I am pretty sure I recall them being there in the past, or am I mistaken? I used the strip that comes in Tracy's gasket kit. I found a side seal that was stuck at one end. quick clean should fix it. Coolant issue: Not sure I am happy with the TES 0-rings. Yes, they seem to have been very resistent to the heat. In general they are in excellent condition. Except, they have very little elasticity and have moulded to the shape of the chanel. In the hot area, they no longer extend above the top of the chanel and are more or less flush with the top. It seems that in this area they would be exerting minimal sealing pressure there. I am thinking about going back to the stock. Anyone else have a similar experience or heard of this problem? Otherwise the engine is in OK shape. No evidence of overheating. There are quite of bit of chatter marks on the rotor housings, the rotor bearings seems pretty well worn but probably re-usable. -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01CC9CAB.93CBCF10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I believe all = the FD engines (13Brew’s) use solid corner seals with a different = looking spring behind them (not wire spring)-it has two = ‘paddles’ on the end of a C shaped = affair.

Marc = Wiese

 

From:= = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of Chris Barber
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 = 12:25 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re: Where's the Buttons?

 

I was = missing some corner seals too at my last tear down. I ordered more. It = wasn't until after I received them that it dawned on me what the long = rubber strips I got with Tracy's kit were for. DOH!  Yeah, and they = are letting me try to build an airplane....

 

Seems that I read that the rubber corner seals were = there more for emissions and could be omitted or replaces with solid = ones. Again, IIRC. Seems I read it in a post from Lynne but hell, it = could have been on a "boy racers" websight so please research = an verify. CYA does not always mean "Call Your = Attorney". 

 

Chris

Attorney ;-)

Sent from my iPhone = 4


On Nov 5, 2011, at 11:15 AM, = "Kelly Troyer" <keltro@att.net> = wrote:

D= ave,

&= nbsp;

&= nbsp; Cannot tell what to do concerning your TES "O" = rings (I have them also) as I have no = operational

e= xperience with them yet but considering the hours you have on your = engine (And you have been

k= nown to "Flog" it)........<:)... I would just go back = with TES "O" rings in light of the extra heat = load

y= our Turbo adds to the = engine...........

&= nbsp;

&= nbsp;Concerning the corner seal rubber buttons it seems that they end up = reverting back to carbon and

l= ose all elasticity (particularity under high heat) and become useless = for their original purpose = which 

w= as to give slightly increased compression at starter speeds...........I = personally will use the solid

r= acing corner seals available from Mazda and other = sources.................IMHO 

&= nbsp;

K= elly Troyer
&= quot;DYKE DELTA JD2" = (E= ventually)<= o:p>

&= quot;13B ROTARY"_ = Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/O= il Manifold

&= quot;TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

<= o:p> 

F= rom: = David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
To:= Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 10:32 = AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Where's the Buttons?

=

 

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