X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-bw0-f52.google.com ([209.85.214.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTPS id 5170317 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:06:59 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.214.52; envelope-from=wdleonard@gmail.com Received: by bkbzs2 with SMTP id zs2so7288717bkb.25 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:06:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=A4aF5kQ5oZKu/dBjPcywtrpihQUfWUoY0mAzD7/9grY=; b=U6qW7CeGJ1NaHSTpc1+LgGjZWd6vL75+zYDWpjwckE+bho8VeBnviDolF2sdwyPjtC VsyYk47cjgAd0yRqSNV2jaAXOi0Vz1e6/rR51AXpcTerfS8Gcu1EKxgtt6LLzA3u5Ulf I/BG3PK2ynYn4VpY7S6RmhzXpu7CmUl/DS6w4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.36.193 with SMTP id u1mr29284454fad.27.1319421984157; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.72.7 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:06:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:06:24 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Dave Leonard_Redrive From: David Leonard To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517473452acaf8904b001de76 --001517473452acaf8904b001de76 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Kelly, NOW you tell me. :-) Unfortunately, I have not had time to even get to the bearings of the old drive, let alone take apart the new one (which I don't really plan to do. That theory does make sense. There was clear evidence that the upper planets had overheated while the lower ones did not show heat damage. That still does not really explain why the bearings seized as well. They still wont let the prop shaft turn in the housing, so I cant turn the access holes in the prop flange to access the Allen screws to release the retainer plate. I'll let Tracy deal with that one. Unfortunately, I have opposite engine offset and vert-stab offset that really would not like it if I reversed the prop direction. Hmmm. That is an interesting problem.. how to cool those upper planets. -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: > Dave, > > Any firm conclusions for the apparent lack of lubrication getting to the > upper planets of your > RD1B re-drive during your Reno race heats ?...............I fully realize > you were putting a lot of > turbo boosted power (probably 250+ hp) through the drive.............Have > you had a chance to > inspect the re-drive that you borrowed for signs of overheat of the upper > planets ?.......... > > Several years ago when the "Ross" re-drives were the only ones available > for the Rotary I > remember reading of a similar problem with the 2.17 ratio..........The > theory was that because > the 2.17 planet is fixed with the ring gear rotating around it that > centrifugal force at high rpm > forced the lube from the ring gear and starved the upper > planets.............Theory at that time > was the 2.85 and 3.17 re-drives were largely immune to this problem > because the ring gear > of these drives is fixed and the planet rotates in an oil bath with this > same centrifugal force > slinging lube directly to the ring gear teeth more or less > equally.............FWIW > > Kelly Troyer > *"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)* > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo > --001517473452acaf8904b001de76 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kelly,
NOW you tell me. =A0:-)

Unfortunately, = I have not had time to even get to the bearings of the old drive, let alone= take apart the new one (which I don't really plan to do.
That theory does make sense. =A0There was clear evidence that th= e upper planets had overheated while the lower ones did not show heat damag= e. =A0That still does not really explain why the bearings=A0seized=A0as wel= l. =A0They still wont let the prop shaft turn in the housing, so I cant tur= n the access holes in the prop flange to access the=A0Allen=A0screws to rel= ease the retainer plate. =A0I'll let Tracy deal with that one.

Unfortunately, I have=A0opposite=A0engine offset and ve= rt-stab offset that really would not like it if I reversed the prop directi= on. Hmmm. =A0That is an interesting problem.. how to cool those upper plane= ts.
--=A0
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrote:
Dave,
=A0
=A0=A0 Any firm conclusions=A0for the apparent lack of lubricati= on getting to the upper planets of your
RD1B re-drive during your Reno race he= ats ?...............I fully realize you were putting a lot of
turbo boosted=A0power (probably 250+ hp)=A0through the drive....= .........Have you had a chance to
inspect the=A0re-drive=A0 that you bor= rowed for signs of overheat of the upper planets ?..........
=A0
=A0 Several years ago when the "Ross" re-d= rives were the only ones available for the Rotary I
remember reading of a similar problem with the 2.17 ratio.......= ...The theory was that because
the 2.17 planet is fixed with the ring gear rotating around it t= hat centrifugal force at high rpm
forced the lube from the ring gear and starved the upper planets= .............Theory at that time
was the 2.85 and 3.17 re-drives were l= argely immune to this problem because the ring gear
of these drives is fixed and the planet rotates in an oil bath w= ith this same centrifugal force
slinging lube directly to the ring gear teeth more or less equal= ly.............FWIW
=A0
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2&= quot; (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC= 2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo



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