X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm28.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.155] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.1) with SMTP id 5164126 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2011 15:55:44 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.155; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.44.102] by nm28.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2011 19:55:08 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.69] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2011 19:55:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2011 19:55:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 160745.58308.bm@omp1006.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 76590 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Oct 2011 19:55:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1319140506; bh=oMBeENn9bzeeG8ZHYRliCEQgKvzwTDlqHdolRwkWcdo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wdSAdoAI6R9chMYtGuDVdVa5VEqQWRXi54v1wZf014QPiw3zHpIFTcNmSFk6w7EFFdXWLZJRLqWwAyc7R7Bat4W5VB5wy93ZJBYUHWuCXPReeavisKomjwrgWjGgpuvIFNvVdDu+6nOsy5mqzFfU/6/mMwnRyhHcOhNQxM6ZR0k= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dixboLcadYQUp41Wk6ZUXSBNTjig7tMplmi5Okm1AdvV1AvkPCGQhrWgRA14KW/TuJIg3Jkmk19O7P7czVShNbrT3unbYzCcz3qp8L5D8yG/2RWQ/04WUEQKydHthboigWxfgDuKei+/8hYWS21YphUA0L4iWdMZ0mWWCIoBbVw=; X-YMail-OSG: 3sXuaOQVM1muK_H_eTIcXAyg.9lHCeRUZtwx.hyTy3_.lqq h.hXxIE7ZEeF9edseT9RszkG4ZJE490wWiT6jDggDnY0T8hb.nHuMUD5jdpS n7JG_TKfHGpoa7Y3F_HiR657Cm9eSefJmOOOzkiRBnjJlIEcQbWXTLNU82Q. PdV8D2x4V9zMWmeFtrK.h.DZtHcDPZ2sN.gCBv3dQpbGyrpnYiH9q4y25EWj MxxkKn3mxMfZr9xaV.ywmfEYVOXRQiUHGZp1f.yvQiP5wZiV2yFsf_J3cYGW oLBBLWgSwrVoQzj1e1IQTFXBrhTTNv4_x7VXsIiCW2Zz7CdXuWAqDhZvUYZb saITjzz9xptaTLOhOFFIUMzjNzRb7P_PLtpSjel03KingkQE2mIle9d3Ua41 Wl8aygm2h5nJRTfx2FTn42spRC1eYF._.Rz9M3hdU8FbNJHaT2oGkKImaAf_ QrDbB8nhpdFKLLNA- Received: from [208.114.41.199] by web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Oct 2011 12:55:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: Message-ID: <1319140506.52899.YahooMailNeo@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 12:55:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Troyer Reply-To: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Glider rating To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2076978511-1319140506=:52899" --0-2076978511-1319140506=:52899 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable By the way Marv what is status of the V8 powered Lancair ??................= Always glad to hear from you.............=0A=0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELT= A JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"= _Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A______________= __________________=0AFrom: "marv@lancair.net" =0ATo: Rota= ry motors in aircraft =0ASent: Thursday, Octob= er 20, 2011 2:24 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Glider rating: [FlyRotary] R= e: The rotary may live.=0A=0A=0A=0AI felt like I had to jump in here, you g= uys have touched upon something close to my heart.... to my mind there are = few experiences as exciting as gaining alttitude without a noisemaker.=A0 T= he first time you center up in a +3000 fpm thermal and pickup several thous= and feet of altitude you're hooked... I know I was.=A0 =0A=0A=A0=A0 = =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A"Rino" wrote:=0A=0A=A0Ed,=0A=A0=0A=A0I= do have two glider experiences (only a few minutes each) in my Glass Goose= =0Aso I know that it does glide without an engine.=A0=A0After the engine s= top, I hear =0Athe airflow (or wind) on the canopy, then I can easily imagi= ne what it is to =0Abe flying a glider.=0A=A0=0A=A0Rino Lacombe=0A=A0 -----= Original Message ----- =0A=A0 From: Ed Anderson =0A=A0 To: Rotary motors i= n aircraft =0A=A0 Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:51 AM=0A=A0 Subject: = [FlyRotary] Glider rating: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live.=0A=A0=0A=A0= =0A=A0 Actually, Chrissi,=A0=A0I did get one back in the early 1960s.=A0=A0= Never used it =0A(in a true glider) since, but it did convey flight was pos= sible without an =0Aengine and prop turning - which undoubtedly lessen the = pucker factor a tiny =0Abit. =0A=A0=0A=A0 Did I tell you about my glider ch= eck ride with aileron locks in?=A0=A0 Impressed =0Athe heck out of the inst= ructor who was on board and who told me no pre-flight =0Awas necessary ( he= was in a hurry to get back home)=A0=A0and who gave me heck =0Aabout using = too much rudder to get around the pattern (but, I couldn't get it =0Ato tur= n without a lot of rudder).=A0=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0 The scary part was later real= izing that if I had ever let the wing get few =0Adegrees too low, the rudde= r would never have brought it back to level!! =0A=A0=0A=A0=A0=A0Yes, after = we landed (and me thinking I had flunked the ride) we saw people =0Arunning= down the runway waving arms and then pointing to the bright red =0Astreame= rs on the locks did he and I realized how badly it could have turned =0Aout= - he had no problem signing me off {:>)=0A=A0=0A=A0 So while not necessary= - it keeps you legal {:>)=0A=A0=0A=A0 While I don't recommend (in fact jus= t the opposite) landing engine-out as =0Apractice - a few hours in a glider= is great preparation should that very rare =0Aevent ever happen {:>)=0A=A0= =0A=A0 Ed=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=0A--=0D=0DHomepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/=0D= =0DArchive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/Li= st.html --0-2076978511-1319140506=:52899 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
By the way Marv what is status of the V8 powered Lan= cair ??................Always glad to hear fr= om you.............
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil = Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From:= "marv@lancair.net" <marv@lancair.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrota= ry@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:24 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Glider rating: [FlyRotary] Re: T= he rotary may live.


I felt like I had to jump in here, you guys have= touched upon something close to my heart.... to my mind there are few expe= riences as exciting as gaining alttitude without a noisemaker.  The fi= rst time you center up in a +3000 fpm thermal and pickup several thousand f= eet of altitude you're hooked... I know I was. 

   &= lt;Marv>




"Rino" <lacombr@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
 Ed,
 
 I do have two glider experiences (only a = few minutes each) in my Glass Goose
so I know that it does glide withou= t an engine.  After the engine stop, I hear
the airflow (or w= ind) on the canopy, then I can easily imagine what it is to
be flying a= glider.
 
 Rino Lacombe
  ----- Original Message -= ----
  From: Ed Anderson
  To: Rotary motors in aircraft
  Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:51 AM
  Su= bject: [FlyRotary] Glider rating: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live.
&= nbsp;
 
  Actually, Chrissi,  I did get one back = in the early 1960s.  Never used it
(in a true glider) since, = but it did convey flight was possible without an
engine and prop turnin= g - which undoubtedly lessen the pucker factor a tiny
bit.
   Did I tell you about my glider check ride with aileron locks in?&n= bsp;  Impressed
the heck out of the instructor who was on board an= d who told me no pre-flight
was necessary ( he was in a hurry to get ba= ck home)  and who gave me heck
about using too much rudder to= get around the pattern (but, I couldn't get it
to turn without a lot o= f rudder).  
 
  The scary part was later realizi= ng that if I had ever let the wing get few
degrees too low, the rudder would never have brought it back to level!!
 
 &nb= sp; Yes, after we landed (and me thinking I had flunked the ride) we s= aw people
running down the runway waving arms and then pointing to the = bright red
streamers on the locks did he and I realized how badly it co= uld have turned
out - he had no problem signing me off {:>)
 = ;
  So while not necessary - it keeps you legal {:>)
   While I don't recommend (in fact just the opposite) landing engine= -out as
practice - a few hours in a glider is great preparation should = that very rare
event ever happen {:>)
 
  Ed
&nbs= p;
 
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