X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from omta4.toronto.rmgopenwave.com ([4.59.182.102] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.1) with ESMTP id 5164061 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2011 15:04:44 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=4.59.182.102; envelope-from=lacombr@nbnet.nb.ca Received: from torspm02.toronto.rmgopenwave.com ([142.167.187.136]) by tormtz05.toronto.rmgopenwave.com (InterMail vM.8.01.04.04 201-2260-137-107-20110204) with ESMTP id <20111020190408.ILAZ6248.tormtz05.toronto.rmgopenwave.com@torspm02.toronto.rmgopenwave.com> for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2011 15:04:08 -0400 Received: from PCdeRita ([142.167.187.136]) by torspm02.toronto.rmgopenwave.com with SMTP id <20111020190407.NWFU11752.torspm02.toronto.rmgopenwave.com@PCdeRita> for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2011 15:04:07 -0400 Message-ID: <756A99328C914E7AA3BE1DCD35AEB6AC@PCdeRita> From: "Rino" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Glider rating: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live. Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 16:03:27 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007B_01CC8F41.CDC0C2B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Opwv-CommTouchExtSvcRefID: str=0001.0A020201.4EA070A8.0133,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01CC8F41.CDC0C2B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_007C_01CC8F41.CDC0E9C0" ------=_NextPart_001_007C_01CC8F41.CDC0E9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ed, I do have two glider experiences (only a few minutes each) in my Glass = Goose so I know that it does glide without an engine. After the engine = stop, I hear the airflow (or wind) on the canopy, then I can easily = imagine what it is to be flying a glider. Rino Lacombe ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:51 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Glider rating: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may = live. Actually, Chrissi, I did get one back in the early 1960s. Never used = it (in a true glider) since, but it did convey flight was possible = without an engine and prop turning - which undoubtedly lessen the pucker = factor a tiny bit.=20 Did I tell you about my glider check ride with aileron locks in? = Impressed the heck out of the instructor who was on board and who told = me no pre-flight was necessary ( he was in a hurry to get back home) = and who gave me heck about using too much rudder to get around the = pattern (but, I couldn't get it to turn without a lot of rudder). =20 The scary part was later realizing that if I had ever let the wing get = few degrees too low, the rudder would never have brought it back to = level!!=20 Yes, after we landed (and me thinking I had flunked the ride) we saw = people running down the runway waving arms and then pointing to the = bright red streamers on the locks did he and I realized how badly it = could have turned out - he had no problem signing me off {:>) So while not necessary - it keeps you legal {:>) While I don't recommend (in fact just the opposite) landing engine-out = as practice - a few hours in a glider is great preparation should that = very rare event ever happen {:>) Ed From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:34 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live. So Ed, you are saying a glider rating is essential? =3D) Chrissi & Randi www.CozyGirrrl.com CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop In a message dated 10/12/2011 12:45:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, = eanderson@carolina.rr.com writes: Well, Chris, Some of us get notoriety because of time in unpowered flight - = others for their teething problems - want to swap? {:>) Ed From: Chris Barber=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:10 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live. Teething problems.....I resemble that remark.... Chris Barber Houston 91 turbo 13b Velocity SE -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on = behalf of Ed Anderson [eanderson@carolina.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:59 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live. Hi Jeff, 590 hours in 12 years. However, I have only flow a few hours in = the last 3 years, mainly to Sun & Fun and other Flyins. Just got too = busy with other things (my small business in electronics is growing) I have a 1987 Turbo 13B sitting in my shop as well as various parts = such as an extra e shaft, ignition modules, CAS, etc. The only information I have ever seen on TBO of a rotary in aircraft = use was done by a German University for the Wankle institution - and = they estimate 4000 hour TBO. Since I would have been happy with 1000 = hours - I have not worried about it. Tracy did some measurements at = around the 800 hour point on his original junk yard 13B and found hardly = any wear on the parts designed to wear (like apex seals). So it appears = once you have your engine set up and past the teething problems you can = expect a long run time. Ed From: Jeff Whaley=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:48 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live. Hey Ed, how many hours do you have now, in how many years - 500 hrs = in 10 years, something like that? What is the likely TBO in your configuration and flight profile - = 1000, 1500? How many useable spare core parts do you have sitting on the shelf? We had all better keep our existing engines alive and stop dreaming = about 16X=E2=80=99s =E2=80=A6 frankly I=E2=80=99m surprised Mazda has = toughed it out with the rotary this long. Happily flying mine these days, approaching 60 hours =E2=80=A6 Jeff From: "Ed Anderson" =20 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] The rotary may live. =20 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:55:51 -0400 =20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Thanks, Sam One can only hope it will be in the not so distant future. Ed Edward L. Anderson Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC 305 Reefton Road Weddington, NC 28104 http://www.andersonee.com http://www.eicommander.com =20 This message, and the documents attached hereto, is intended only = for the addressee and may contain privileged or confidential = information. Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you = have received this message in error, please notify us immediately so = that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the = original message. Thank you.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_001_007C_01CC8F41.CDC0E9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Ed,
 
I do have two glider experiences (only a few minutes each) in my = Glass=20 Goose so I know that it does glide without an engine.  After the = engine=20 stop, I hear the airflow (or wind) on the canopy, then I can easily = imagine what=20 it is to be flying a glider.
 
Rino Lacombe
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ed=20 Anderson
Sent: Thursday, October 20, = 2011 10:51=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Glider = rating:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live.

Actually, Chrissi,  I did get one back in the = early=20 1960s.  Never used it (in a true glider) since, but it did convey = flight=20 was possible without an engine and prop turning - which undoubtedly = lessen=20 the pucker factor a tiny bit. 
 
Did I tell you about my glider check ride with = aileron locks=20 in?   Impressed the heck out of the instructor who was on = board and=20 who told me no pre-flight was necessary ( he was in a hurry to get = back home)=20  and who gave me heck about using too much rudder to get around = the=20 pattern (but, I couldn't get it to turn without a lot of = rudder). =20
 
The scary part was later realizing that if I = had ever=20 let the wing get few degrees too low, the rudder would never have = brought it=20 back to level!! 
 
 Yes, after we landed (and me thinking I had = flunked=20 the ride) we saw people running down the runway waving arms and=20 then pointing to the bright red streamers on the locks did he and = I=20 realized how badly it could have turned out - he had no problem = signing me off=20 {:>)
 
So while not necessary - it keeps you legal=20 {:>)
 
While I don't recommend (in fact just the = opposite) landing=20 engine-out as practice - a few hours in a glider is great preparation = should=20 that very rare event ever happen {:>)
 
Ed

Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:34 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may = live.

So Ed, you are saying a glider rating is essential? =3D)
 
Chrissi=20 & Randi
www.CozyGirrrl.com
CG = Products, Custom=20 Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
 
In a message dated 10/12/2011 12:45:12 P.M. Central Daylight = Time, eanderson@carolina.rr.com=20 writes:
Well, Chris,
 
Some of us get notoriety because of time in = unpowered=20 flight - others for their teething problems - want to swap?=20 {:>)
 
Ed

From: Chris Barber
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:10 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may = live.

Teething problems.....I resemble that remark....

 

Chris Barber

Houston

91 turbo 13b

Velocity SE

From: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of Ed Anderson=20 [eanderson@carolina.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, = 2011=20 11:59 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live.

Hi Jeff,
 
590 hours  in 12 years.  However, = I have=20 only flow a few hours in the last 3 years, mainly to  Sun & = Fun and=20 other Flyins.  Just got too busy with other things (my small = business=20 in electronics is growing)
 
I have = a 1987 Turbo=20 13B sitting in my shop as well as various parts such as an extra e = shaft,=20 ignition modules, CAS, etc.
 
The = only information=20 I have ever seen on TBO of a rotary in aircraft use was done by a = German=20 University for the Wankle institution - and they estimate 4000 hour=20 TBO.  Since I would have been happy with 1000 hours - I have = not=20 worried about it.  Tracy did some measurements at around the = 800 hour=20 point on his original junk yard 13B and found hardly any wear on the = parts=20 designed to wear (like apex seals).  So it appears once you = have your=20 engine set up and past the teething problems you can expect a long = run=20 time.
 
Ed

From: Jeff Whaley =
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:48 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may = live.

Hey Ed, how many hours do you have now, in how = many years=20 -  500 hrs in 10 years, something like that?

What is the likely TBO in your configuration = and flight=20 profile -  1000, 1500?

How many useable spare core parts do you have = sitting on=20 the shelf?

We had all better keep our existing engines = alive and=20 stop dreaming about 16X=E2=80=99s =E2=80=A6 frankly I=E2=80=99m = surprised Mazda has toughed it out=20 with the rotary this long.

Happily flying mine these days, approaching 60 = hours=20 =E2=80=A6

Jeff

 

 

From:

"Ed=20 Anderson"=20 <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>

Subject:

Re:=20 [FlyRotary] The rotary may = live.

Date:

Tue,=20 11 Oct 2011 23:55:51 -0400

To:

"Rotary=20 motors in aircraft"=20 = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

<= /TD>

 

 

Thanks,=20 Sam

 

One can only=20 hope it will be in the not so distant future.

 

Ed

 

Edward L.=20 Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton = Road
Weddington, NC 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com

 

This message, and the documents = attached=20 hereto, is intended only for the addressee and may contain = privileged or=20 confidential information. Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly=20 prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please = notify us=20 immediately so that we may correct our internal records. Please then = delete=20 the original message. Thank you.=20

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