X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.1) with ESMTP id 5163621 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:51:36 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.120; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=TqhkdUrh c=1 sm=0 a=SC71y0a/4S6V9vjVxUojGA==:17 a=hnP6Oi6PWxoA:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=V0sYiUSkAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=arxwEM4EAAAA:8 a=r1ClD_H3AAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=YZc7RjlNwJ7ktEdGnvgA:9 a=OItdoSPH5TsQleGKqxcA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=XptUGg1y60QA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=idawcZd_n469BF-N:21 a=6lKc_It4RHQICX-f:21 a=glYVDZ00AAAA:8 a=on22okXAAAAA:8 a=cbSBliKqi5p87q9xm_IA:9 a=tGLWDMuVWbJLmT5ppaYA:7 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=XCwpvLtFMdsA:10 a=at0Q5_2dr5wA:10 a=ZHUsY8zHUz0Vp2Os_2YA:9 a=1Vq_FK4TplAA:10 a=SC71y0a/4S6V9vjVxUojGA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 174.110.175.135 Received: from [174.110.175.135] ([174.110.175.135:49351] helo=EdPC) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 65/C1-15901-44720AE4; Thu, 20 Oct 2011 13:51:00 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Glider rating: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live. Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:51:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01CC8F0D.C5CD3A90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CC8F0D.C5CD3A90 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0020_01CC8F0D.C5CD3A90" ------=_NextPart_001_0020_01CC8F0D.C5CD3A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, Chrissi, I did get one back in the early 1960s. Never used = it (in a true glider) since, but it did convey flight was possible = without an engine and prop turning - which undoubtedly lessen the pucker = factor a tiny bit.=20 Did I tell you about my glider check ride with aileron locks in? = Impressed the heck out of the instructor who was on board and who told = me no pre-flight was necessary ( he was in a hurry to get back home) = and who gave me heck about using too much rudder to get around the = pattern (but, I couldn't get it to turn without a lot of rudder). =20 The scary part was later realizing that if I had ever let the wing get = few degrees too low, the rudder would never have brought it back to = level!!=20 Yes, after we landed (and me thinking I had flunked the ride) we saw = people running down the runway waving arms and then pointing to the = bright red streamers on the locks did he and I realized how badly it = could have turned out - he had no problem signing me off {:>) So while not necessary - it keeps you legal {:>) While I don't recommend (in fact just the opposite) landing engine-out = as practice - a few hours in a glider is great preparation should that = very rare event ever happen {:>) Ed From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:34 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live. So Ed, you are saying a glider rating is essential? =3D) Chrissi & Randi www.CozyGirrrl.com CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop In a message dated 10/12/2011 12:45:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, = eanderson@carolina.rr.com writes: Well, Chris, Some of us get notoriety because of time in unpowered flight - others = for their teething problems - want to swap? {:>) Ed From: Chris Barber=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:10 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live. Teething problems.....I resemble that remark.... Chris Barber Houston 91 turbo 13b Velocity SE -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on = behalf of Ed Anderson [eanderson@carolina.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:59 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live. Hi Jeff, 590 hours in 12 years. However, I have only flow a few hours in the = last 3 years, mainly to Sun & Fun and other Flyins. Just got too busy = with other things (my small business in electronics is growing) I have a 1987 Turbo 13B sitting in my shop as well as various parts = such as an extra e shaft, ignition modules, CAS, etc. The only information I have ever seen on TBO of a rotary in aircraft = use was done by a German University for the Wankle institution - and = they estimate 4000 hour TBO. Since I would have been happy with 1000 = hours - I have not worried about it. Tracy did some measurements at = around the 800 hour point on his original junk yard 13B and found hardly = any wear on the parts designed to wear (like apex seals). So it appears = once you have your engine set up and past the teething problems you can = expect a long run time. Ed From: Jeff Whaley=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:48 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live. Hey Ed, how many hours do you have now, in how many years - 500 hrs = in 10 years, something like that? What is the likely TBO in your configuration and flight profile - = 1000, 1500? How many useable spare core parts do you have sitting on the shelf? We had all better keep our existing engines alive and stop dreaming = about 16X=E2=80=99s =E2=80=A6 frankly I=E2=80=99m surprised Mazda has = toughed it out with the rotary this long. Happily flying mine these days, approaching 60 hours =E2=80=A6 Jeff From: "Ed Anderson" =20 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] The rotary may live. =20 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:55:51 -0400 =20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Thanks, Sam One can only hope it will be in the not so distant future. Ed Edward L. Anderson Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC 305 Reefton Road Weddington, NC 28104 http://www.andersonee.com http://www.eicommander.com =20 This message, and the documents attached hereto, is intended only for = the addressee and may contain privileged or confidential information. = Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received = this message in error, please notify us immediately so that we may = correct our internal records. Please then delete the original message. = Thank you.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_001_0020_01CC8F0D.C5CD3A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Actually, Chrissi,  I did get one back in the = early=20 1960s.  Never used it (in a true glider) since, but it did convey = flight=20 was possible without an engine and prop turning - which undoubtedly = lessen=20 the pucker factor a tiny bit. 
 
Did I tell you about my glider check ride with = aileron locks=20 in?   Impressed the heck out of the instructor who was on = board and=20 who told me no pre-flight was necessary ( he was in a hurry to get back = home)=20  and who gave me heck about using too much rudder to get around the = pattern=20 (but, I couldn't get it to turn without a lot of rudder).  =
 
The scary part was later realizing that if I = had ever let=20 the wing get few degrees too low, the rudder would never have brought it = back to=20 level!! 
 
 Yes, after we landed (and me thinking I had = flunked the=20 ride) we saw people running down the runway waving arms and=20 then pointing to the bright red streamers on the locks did he and I = realized how badly it could have turned out - he had no problem signing = me off=20 {:>)
 
So while not necessary - it keeps you legal=20 {:>)
 
While I don't recommend (in fact just the opposite) = landing=20 engine-out as practice - a few hours in a glider is great preparation = should=20 that very rare event ever happen {:>)
 
Ed

Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:34 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may = live.

So Ed, you are saying a glider rating is essential? =3D)
 
Chrissi &=20 Randi
www.CozyGirrrl.com
CG=20 Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine = Workshop
 
In a message dated 10/12/2011 12:45:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, = eanderson@carolina.rr.com=20 writes:
Well, Chris,
 
Some of us get notoriety because of time in = unpowered=20 flight - others for their teething problems - want to swap?=20 {:>)
 
Ed

From: Chris Barber
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:10 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may = live.

Teething problems.....I resemble that remark....

 

Chris Barber

Houston

91 turbo 13b

Velocity SE

From: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of Ed Anderson=20 [eanderson@carolina.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, = 2011 11:59=20 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re:=20 The rotary may live.

Hi Jeff,
 
590 hours  in 12 years.  However, I = have only=20 flow a few hours in the last 3 years, mainly to  Sun & Fun = and other=20 Flyins.  Just got too busy with other things (my small business = in=20 electronics is growing)
 
I have a = 1987 Turbo 13B=20 sitting in my shop as well as various parts such as an extra e shaft, = ignition=20 modules, CAS, etc.
 
The only = information I=20 have ever seen on TBO of a rotary in aircraft use was done by a German = University for the Wankle institution - and they estimate 4000 hour = TBO. =20 Since I would have been happy with 1000 hours - I have not worried = about=20 it.  Tracy did some measurements at around the 800 hour point on = his=20 original junk yard 13B and found hardly any wear on the parts designed = to wear=20 (like apex seals).  So it appears once you have your engine set = up and=20 past the teething problems you can expect a long run = time.
 
Ed

From: Jeff Whaley =
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:48 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live.

Hey Ed, how many hours do you have now, in how = many years -=20  500 hrs in 10 years, something like that?

What is the likely TBO in your configuration and = flight=20 profile -  1000, 1500?

How many useable spare core parts do you have = sitting on=20 the shelf?

We had all better keep our existing engines alive = and stop=20 dreaming about 16X=E2=80=99s =E2=80=A6 frankly I=E2=80=99m surprised = Mazda has toughed it out with the=20 rotary this long.

Happily flying mine these days, approaching 60 = hours =E2=80=A6

Jeff

 

 

From:

"Ed=20 Anderson" = <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>

Subject:

Re:=20 [FlyRotary] The rotary may = live.

Date:

Tue,=20 11 Oct 2011 23:55:51 -0400

To:

"Rotary=20 motors in aircraft"=20 = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

<= /TD>

 

 

Thanks,=20 Sam

 

One = can only=20 hope it will be in the not so distant future.

 

Ed

 

Edward L.=20 Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton=20 Road
Weddington, NC 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com

 

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