NKK is one= supplier of toggle switches (1/4" mounting hole =3D M series).

Tracy would have to supply details = on mount (wire, pcb, etc)

Breakdown on NKK - M series:

http://www.nkkswitche= s.com/pdf/MtogglesBushing.pdf

= Yep, a little mind boggling as there will be one or two that will wor= k, and over 200 that won't. <grin>

= Something to keep in mind with locking toggles, hit them during turbu= lence, and it is easy to snap off the toggle portion. I suspect that=

might be the reason Tracy doesn't install them originally.= A simple U-guard guard as already described should work fine.

Tom

From: Bob Tilley <btilley@mchsi.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrot= ary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:13 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bill Eslick's EC2 inspection
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Ben

Could you post the specifics of the switch, so we could get one also

Bob Tilley

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 16, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Ben Schneider <plumberben@yahoo.com> wrote:

Fellas,

After the last round of "cold start switch" d= ebates, I found comfort in changing the switched to locking type. The lift = and flip type. Now, I will not argue that not everyone should undergo such = delicate surgery on the controller, and it is likely that I should not have= as well. But in changing to that type of switch, I allowed myself a bit co= mfort in not accidentally flipping the "push here to crash" button. I am also aware that Tracy= is likely not crazy about people changing his controller, but I decided th= at for me, the risk of flipping the switch accidentally out weighted the ri= sk involved in changing the switch. Your risk calculator may likely come to= a different solution. :)

Ben

--- On Sun, 10/16/11, Chris Barber <cbarber@texasattorney.net>=0A wrote:

From: Chris Barber <cbarber@texasattorney.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Bill Eslick's EC2 inspection
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net= >
Date: Sunday, October 16, 2011, 6:42 PM

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I think those are too big for the= cold start switch.

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Chris

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From: Rotar= y motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of Ernest Christley [echristley@nc.rr.com]
=0ASent: = Sunday, October 16, 2011 6:19 PM
=0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft=
=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bill Eslick's EC2 inspection
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On 10/15/2011 11:25 AM, =0Abktrub@aol.com<= /a> wrote:=0A

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Maybe it would be a good idea to put a switch guard on = the cold start switch. I put a guard on after my engine started bogging and= I saw that I had inadvertantly brushed againt the cold start switch while = adjusting the mixture. My guard is just a piece=0A of stainless sheet bent = into a U shape that makes it hard it inadvertantly flip it.=0A
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Brian Trubee
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=0A=0AEspecially, considering that mpja.com is practically giving them away!!
=0A<= br>=0Ahttp://www.mpja.com/SAFETY-COVER-FULL-TOGGLE-YELLOW/productinfo/16103= +SW/
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=0A(they have several other colors, but yellow would be appr= opriate.)
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= =0AFrom: Ed Anderson =0A<eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
=0ATo: Rotary motors = in aircraft =0A<flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
=0ASent: Sat, Oct 15, 2011 6= :32 am
=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bill Eslick's EC2 inspection
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My own experience is that when the cold st= art switch is inappropriately selected and the engine is running at m= edium-hight rpm - is that the engine does not stop immediately, b= ut starts to bog down, sloppy sounding exhaust and then=0A eventually dies.= But, then I am using 460 cc/min injectors. I even found that I= could fly (keep engine running) with the cold start on provided I put the = manual mixture control maximum lean and it was still sloppy sounding - if I= had 550 cc/min injectors=0A I doubt that it would have kept running.
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My best SWAG given = that Tracy found no fault and the sudden termination of the engine - is eit= her CAS problem or ignition (and it would have to be an ignition problem th= at would taken out both sets of spark producing devices). If CAS=0A t= hen that could account for the sudden stoppage more so than a misplaced col= d start switch in my opinion, but then distant diagnostics is still an evol= ving "Art". {:>)
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Ed
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From: =0ADavid Leonard
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Sent: Saturday, Octob= er 15, 2011 3:32 AM
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=0AMan, I hate that cold start switch&n= bsp; ;-)
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=0ADave Leonard
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On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Tracy <rwstracy@gmail.com> wrote:
=0A=0AThought the group w= ould like to hear what i found when I Finally had a chance to closely exami= ne Bill's EC2. I was hoping to find a definitive reason behind his s= udden and complete loss of power on takeoff on his last flight.
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= =0AOn powering it up on the bench I found both A and B controllers Working = normally. Bill noted in his report that in the 'Fly The Plane' situa= tion called for in a power failure during takeoff he had not tried sw= itching to controller B. It does not appear=0A that it would have don= e any good this time.
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=0ANone of the parameters were set outside = the expected range so no sign of data corruption. In fact the only th= ing notable about the data downloaded from it was the unusually smooth prog= ramming of the MAP table. Most of the time I find units returned for = updates=0A with choppy looking data in the table indicating a lack of care = or proper methodology in setting it up. A and B controllers had ident= ical data.
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=0AThe PCM was also returned with the unit so just in = case the control panel was the cause I substituted it for the bench test pa= nel I normally use. Thought I saw a problem because the injection pu= lse width was so large that it could well have caused engine=0A flooding. &= nbsp;This was caused by the mixture control being set fairly high and the c= old start switch being in the on position. This does not prove anythi= ng because that could easily have happened during removal of the panel from= the plane or while packing it=0A for shipping. When the switch and m= ixture control was returned to normal settings the injection pulse width re= turned to normal.
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=0ARan the unit on the bench for several hours = while heating and subjecting it to vibration but nothing else turned up.=0A
=0ATracy
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