X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.121] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.1) with ESMTP id 5154806 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:00:01 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.121; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=O6u7TWBW c=1 sm=0 a=SC71y0a/4S6V9vjVxUojGA==:17 a=HmM-mEA80xkA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=arxwEM4EAAAA:8 a=r1ClD_H3AAAA:8 a=OGiPaa6gtbeQUdUz1NsA:9 a=YqL6lzyoTWuO3L1Uov4A:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=on22okXAAAAA:8 a=E93lBu2AAAAA:8 a=5cmV0o2vAQkuPYCyoeMA:9 a=ORqqBs1EEEt5mI-1GNcA:7 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=at0Q5_2dr5wA:10 a=MpuOTR30KwMA:10 a=3vcT5UNcf4oA:10 a=FOUTPhXFUAcA:10 a=zgjei8Deq7QA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=ZHUsY8zHUz0Vp2Os_2YA:9 a=1Vq_FK4TplAA:10 a=SC71y0a/4S6V9vjVxUojGA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 174.110.175.135 Received: from [174.110.175.135] ([174.110.175.135:55889] helo=EdPC) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 29/A9-06600-D67C59E4; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:59:25 +0000 Message-ID: <0ED36E9F59EA4E22948A1731473C8B18@EdPC> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live. Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:59:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CC88DE.BB1CB600" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CC88DE.BB1CB600 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000E_01CC88DE.BB1CB600" ------=_NextPart_001_000E_01CC88DE.BB1CB600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jeff, 590 hours in 12 years. However, I have only flow a few hours in the = last 3 years, mainly to Sun & Fun and other Flyins. Just got too busy = with other things (my small business in electronics is growing) I have a 1987 Turbo 13B sitting in my shop as well as various parts such = as an extra e shaft, ignition modules, CAS, etc. The only information I have ever seen on TBO of a rotary in aircraft use = was done by a German University for the Wankle institution - and they = estimate 4000 hour TBO. Since I would have been happy with 1000 hours - = I have not worried about it. Tracy did some measurements at around the = 800 hour point on his original junk yard 13B and found hardly any wear = on the parts designed to wear (like apex seals). So it appears once you = have your engine set up and past the teething problems you can expect a = long run time. Ed From: Jeff Whaley=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:48 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live. Hey Ed, how many hours do you have now, in how many years - 500 hrs in = 10 years, something like that? What is the likely TBO in your configuration and flight profile - 1000, = 1500? How many useable spare core parts do you have sitting on the shelf? We had all better keep our existing engines alive and stop dreaming = about 16X's . frankly I'm surprised Mazda has toughed it out with the = rotary this long. Happily flying mine these days, approaching 60 hours . Jeff From: "Ed Anderson" =20 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] The rotary may live. =20 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:55:51 -0400 =20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = =20 =20 =20 =20 Thanks, Sam One can only hope it will be in the not so distant future. Ed Edward L. Anderson Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC 305 Reefton Road Weddington, NC 28104 http://www.andersonee.com http://www.eicommander.com =20 This message, and the documents attached hereto, is intended only for = the addressee and may contain privileged or confidential information. = Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received = this message in error, please notify us immediately so that we may = correct our internal records. Please then delete the original message. = Thank you. ------=_NextPart_001_000E_01CC88DE.BB1CB600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jeff,
 
590 hours  in 12 years.  However, I = have only=20 flow a few hours in the last 3 years, mainly to  Sun & Fun and = other=20 Flyins.  Just got too busy with other things (my small business in=20 electronics is growing)
 
I have a = 1987 Turbo 13B=20 sitting in my shop as well as various parts such as an extra e shaft, = ignition=20 modules, CAS, etc.
 
The only = information I=20 have ever seen on TBO of a rotary in aircraft use was done by a German=20 University for the Wankle institution - and they estimate 4000 hour = TBO. =20 Since I would have been happy with 1000 hours - I have not worried about = it.  Tracy did some measurements at around the 800 hour point on = his=20 original junk yard 13B and found hardly any wear on the parts designed = to wear=20 (like apex seals).  So it appears once you have your engine set up = and past=20 the teething problems you can expect a long run time.
 
Ed

Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:48 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live.

Hey Ed, how many hours do you have now, in how many = years -=20  500 hrs in 10 years, something like that?

What is the likely TBO in your configuration and = flight=20 profile -  1000, 1500?

How many useable spare core parts do you have = sitting on the=20 shelf?

We had all better keep our existing engines alive = and stop=20 dreaming about 16X=92s =85 frankly I=92m surprised Mazda has toughed it = out with the=20 rotary this long.

Happily flying mine these days, approaching 60 = hours =85

Jeff

 

 

From:

"Ed=20 Anderson" = <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>

Subject:

Re:=20 [FlyRotary] The rotary may live.

Date:

Tue,=20 11 Oct 2011 23:55:51 -0400

To:

"Rotary=20 motors in aircraft"=20 = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

<= /TD>



Thanks,=20 Sam

 

One = can only=20 hope it will be in the not so distant future.

 

Ed

 

Edward = L.=20 Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton=20 Road
Weddington, NC 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com

 

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