X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm3-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.108] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.1) with SMTP id 5112803 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:51:44 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.108; envelope-from=bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net Received: from [98.139.44.99] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2011 14:51:09 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.78] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2011 14:51:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2011 14:51:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 260088.1450.bm@omp1015.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 76900 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2011 14:51:08 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1315061468; bh=cIGneCRaPcHwIQ4Q8DOOw9jRFY9jKiLEgHogK9tF3zs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=4LrU7KNMHT/FLRBNccJiwFmSKsm7983zAAXX8ebnGMfxQffnvvg+/e9cpZyahHgEN6yiN3XWdwYosv7UQUeY/ExsDtp0G5/0Kt5t1LxWp2CL42JyLdHM8RYig+71aXMmmhu2a3SR6pWRo/bmaYqag8vFfeZEJqWe7Dz6/fnbCAI= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: DzDnw_wVM1lZ3KiptJDcJrfEveC7ucmuAeEWjlzVHWk6TPl IJU5sM6NOahlsADG0Lpm4HgKIU0gOYnimArdlA1gjF2UjlXUxkEpA5vGjEij J3gVGTpnJPnoP..RirhV9Hj48GU551nZEqxyAoIYVMepEZ41nLi0ScQbt_9l x.bMmzYsJ_WlRr.Fd46HR3OGXvc4b0naN7MbZNbz8Mz9NqCk8UvbaYF0MSAj Qik2.mUrMhNBfPr4gHXIfi_QbzhZ6IXrHJEhIjQvd351jA6NrgTeB80AThjy UUmq8T.kol7dh1PRuj1AVWf2mAF2IqJpYvilfjiIGK9mHzmLpSRQVXLmQnLd X8lbusKBbkp0Gylbw_B77On_UPK_0eLvZ3wVQt1Qzu55J.77RoVWvrdg02NJ M7oA53.O.myhIgrRiG7wnq29ySRCvzXjKUrbA3l_DzieGFMknGpjje.w5Jyu RH6wQ9oRVIE7viRif3zTGWG2rsXcBH7wYm5g- X-Yahoo-SMTP: OSuEAS2swBAaBd4uKxevNivslbMG7JXpWjAWZVmoYyRm6qcW_W2VUA-- Received: from acer7fbfa7e2f7 (bryanwinberry@98.88.55.163 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Sep 2011 07:51:07 -0700 PDT From: "Bryan Winberry" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] The good news and the bad news...... Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 10:53:17 -0400 Message-ID: <10FE4F2FB33B442885C6612AFC79DBDB@acer7fbfa7e2f7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0167_01CC6A27.B0A8E7F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acxp7Ofb/N36PJfdTgS0EH/quOR6MQAXDKIg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0167_01CC6A27.B0A8E7F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, Helluva nice job on the emergency. Glad you're unhurt. Bryan _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Eslick Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:52 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] The good news and the bad news...... I have been holding up reporting this until all the facts are in, but that might never happen, so here we go. Good news: No injuries. Bad news: I have some work to do. Photos at: http://www.tiny9.com/u/2101 On August 16th at 10 AM, I lined up for takeoff at my home airport (3600' paved) into a 5 knot headwind. I had just finished changing the oil and filter and plugs. Run-up was fine, so off I went. Approximately mid-field, and a couple of hundred feet in the air, it suddenly and without any warning became very silent. Hit the big switch which puts direct battery power to everything engine, but no noise. No more time. At this point flying the machine becomes THE priority. Dropped the nose and was amazed to see a little bit of runway under the nose! I had fully expected to land in trees, houses or the river, so I dove what seemed like straight down to capture as much runway as possible while (somehow) holding the electric flap switch long enough to get full flaps (noticed this later). Pulled probably my best round-out ever - no bounce. Brakes to max and tail up for weight. I think my sub-concious put it all the way on the nose to try to prevent going through the fence and down the hill. Wheel skid starts about 200 feet from the stopping point. Skid marks from the wheel pants, cowling and prop run about the last 50 feet. It stopped nose down just off the end. The tail was still over pavement. Pushed the slider canopy UPHILL, stepped out and down. Noticed that I was not even scared by the whole event. Interesting. Never even considered trying to turn around. Pre-thinking that non-option apparently paid off. More good news. No FAA or NTSB as it was a non-reportable incident. Didn't even bend the gear legs. Also, my neighbor crashed in a Challenger about 10 minutes earlier at the city airport about 10 miles away. The police and rescue types were headed that way (they had injuries) and were not interested in my minor mishap. As for the engine. When we got it back to the hangar, the prop would turn only haltingly. You could feel grinding going on inside. First try at turning had it come up hard and stop. More fooling with it and it gradually came looser and would turn. Really looked like something came loose in there. Pulled a plug from each rotor and did a compression test. Rotor 1 was 80-80-80. Rotor 2 was 2-2-2. More proof that something had come loose. With that evidence, the insurance company allowed me to remove the engine for inspection. What I found was a pile of ground up ceramic junk. All the seals were still fine. Lots of time went in to finding where that stuff came from. Went through every inch of the induction system. Finally Jason Hutchison (my other on-airport rotary guy) broke the code. While the RV was standing on it's nose, this crap from my burned-out Hushpower II ran back up the manifold and in the exhaust port. That is what was grinding. Crap. Now the entire thing is off the firewall including the engine mount. All the wiring is disconnected (did not find anything loose or missing). I spent the morning looking under the panel for any loose or broken wiring, but found none. When I get the EC-2 out, Jason wants to plug it into his plane and we'll do the plugs and injectors test. If that checks out, Tracy, it is coming to you for a good look. I don't know what else to check. The engine quit just like somebody reached over and turned off the ignition. No stumble, no hiccup, just instant silence. I honestly do not know if the prop was turning or not. I suspect not, due to the silence and the fact that one blade is untouched. As you can see from the photos, there was something going on with Rotor 1. Wear is apparent down stream from the plug holes and all 3 apex seals are starting to chip in the center. There is quite a lot of carbon also on the rotors after 170 hours. Going forward, I have decided to look at resale value for if/when my RV-12 days arrive. This means putting a (gasp) IO-360 on it. The rotary has given me a safe 10-year run (til now, of course), so I have no regrets, but this is an opportunity to make some changes, and parts are already on the way. I will still be hanging out at the engine tent at S-n-F and wherever else gatherings happen. Hope to be flying by the first of next year.... I'm sure some of you will have suggestions about what might have gone wrong, and I welcome any kind of speculation, but bear in mind I am just looking at a pile of parts and wires at this point. Both fuel pumps were on, tanks were over half full, crank angle sensor worked fine. Guess it's obvious that I now have a RD-1A, EC-2, EFI Monitor (Ed's), Felix 68/72 and Props Inc 68/72 wood props and LOTS of engine parts (my whole 14-year stash) available! And priced to sell! Bill Eslick RV-6 13B/NA EC-2 RD-1A 750 Hours ------=_NextPart_000_0167_01CC6A27.B0A8E7F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bill,

Helluva nice job on the = emergency.  Glad you’re unhurt.

Bryan

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Eslick
Sent: Friday, September = 02, 2011 11:52 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] The = good news and the bad news......

 

I have been holding up reporting this = until all the facts are in, but that might never happen, so here we = go.


Good news:  No injuries. 

Bad news:  I have some work to do.

Photos at:  http://www.tiny9.com/u/2101

On August 16th at 10 AM, I lined up for takeoff at my home airport = (3600' paved) into a 5 knot headwind.  I had just finished changing the = oil and filter and plugs.  Run-up was fine, so off I went.  = Approximately mid-field, and a couple of hundred feet in the air, it suddenly and = without any warning became very silent.

Hit the big switch which puts direct battery power to everything engine, = but no noise.  No more time.  At this point flying the machine = becomes THE priority.  Dropped the nose and was amazed to see a little bit of = runway under the nose!  I had fully expected to land in trees, houses or = the river, so I dove what seemed like straight down to capture as much = runway as possible while (somehow) holding the electric flap switch long enough to = get full flaps (noticed this later).  Pulled probably my best round-out = ever - no bounce.  Brakes to max and tail up for weight.  I think my sub-concious put it all the way on the nose to try to prevent going = through the fence and down the hill.  Wheel skid starts about 200 feet from the stopping point.  Skid marks from the wheel pants, cowling and prop = run about the last 50 feet.  It stopped nose down just off the = end.  The tail was still over pavement.  Pushed the slider canopy UPHILL, = stepped out and down.  Noticed that I was not even scared by the whole event.  Interesting.  Never even considered trying to turn around.  Pre-thinking that non-option apparently paid off.  =

More good news.  No FAA or NTSB as it was a non-reportable = incident.  Didn't even bend the gear legs.  Also, my neighbor crashed in a = Challenger about 10 minutes earlier at the city airport about 10 miles away.  = The police and rescue types were headed that way (they had injuries) and = were not interested in my minor mishap.

As for the engine.  When we got it back to the hangar, the prop = would turn only haltingly.  You could feel grinding going on inside.  = First try at turning had it come up hard and stop.  More fooling with it and = it gradually came looser and would turn.  Really looked like something = came loose in there.  Pulled a plug from each rotor and did a = compression test.  Rotor 1 was 80-80-80.  Rotor 2 was 2-2-2.  More = proof that something had come loose.  With that evidence, the insurance = company allowed me to remove the engine for inspection.  What I found was a = pile of ground up ceramic junk.  All the seals were still fine.  = Lots of time went in to finding where that stuff came from.  Went through = every inch of the induction system.  Finally Jason Hutchison (my other on-airport rotary guy) broke the code.  While the RV was standing = on it's nose, this crap from my burned-out Hushpower II ran back up the manifold = and in the exhaust port.  That is what was grinding.  Crap.  Now = the entire thing is off the firewall including the engine mount.  All = the wiring is disconnected (did not find anything loose or missing).  I = spent the morning looking under the panel for any loose or broken wiring, but = found none.  When I get the EC-2 out, Jason wants to plug it into his = plane and we'll do the plugs and injectors test.  If that checks out, = Tracy, it is = coming to you for a good look.  I don't know what else to check.  The = engine quit just like somebody reached over and turned off the ignition.  = No stumble, no hiccup, just instant silence.  I honestly do not know = if the prop was turning or not.  I suspect not, due to the silence and the = fact that one blade is untouched.

As you can see from the photos, there was something going on with Rotor 1.  Wear is apparent down stream from the plug holes and all 3 apex = seals are starting to chip in the center.  There is quite a lot of carbon = also on the rotors after 170 hours.

Going forward, I have decided to look at resale value for if/when my = RV-12 days arrive.  This means putting a (gasp) IO-360 on it.  The rotary = has given me a safe 10-year run (til now, of course), so I have no regrets, = but this is an opportunity to make some changes, and parts are already on = the way.  I will still be hanging out at the engine tent at S-n-F and = wherever else gatherings happen.  Hope to be flying by the first of next = year....

I'm sure some of you will have suggestions about what might have gone = wrong, and I welcome any kind of speculation, but bear in mind I am just = looking at a pile of parts and wires at this point.  Both fuel pumps were on, = tanks were over half full, crank angle sensor worked fine.

Guess it's obvious that I now have a RD-1A, EC-2, EFI Monitor = (Ed's),  Felix 68/72 and Props Inc 68/72 wood props and LOTS of engine parts (my = whole 14-year stash) available!  And priced to sell!

Bill Eslick
RV-6 13B/NA EC-2 RD-1A
750 Hours

 

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