Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #56495
From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: CG Products Intake Manifold
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 14:07:42 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Data point: One of the big aviation engine/fuel injection suppliers installs -4 lines everywhere in front of the firewall up to the 'spider', on all 4 cyl Lycs (up to 200+ hp) and if memory serves, even on the 6cyl engines (230+ hp). The individual lines from the 'spider' to the cylinders are so small you'd be hard pressed to get safety wire through them. This is on a Bendix style injection system using a diaphragm type fuel pump and no return line after the pump. These systems run at between 15 & 30 psi. Logic is that minimum diameter line minimizes quantity of fuel that can boil on the engine side of the firewall.

With minimum diameter lines, as long as the pump can provide pressure it won't take long to clear any vapor as soon as cranking begins, or you hit Tracy's 'cold start' button a couple of times. (Vapor in the combustion chamber is a good thing anyway, right?) :-)

As Al Wick pointed out, the only place vapor should be a problem is at the inlet to the pump itself.

Charlie

On 08/31/2011 07:35 AM, CozyGirrrl@aol.com wrote:
Interesting Chad.
The people flying Subes and using autogas were also guessing that altitude was a factor in vaporlock. We won't be using autogas due to variable formulation eating up epoxy tanks.
We were thinking that if the regulator was the last item in the chain and that the rails were hooked up serially that it would minimize vaporlock and also a few seconds of the pump running before a hot restart would cool and clear the rail.
 
Chrissi & Randi
www.CozyGirrrl.com
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
 
In a message dated 8/30/2011 11:36:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, crobinson@medialantern.com writes:

I recently researched EFI regulation a bit and found something interesting. Many modern (post-1995) vehicles have "returnless" EDI systems where the regulator is in or near the tank, not the engine compartment.

It turns out this isn't for complexity reasons, though it does save a bit. It's for emissions. The heating of the fuel in the engine compartment transfers heat back to the tank. The tank's emissions do count even though they're not huge. It's also one less part, hose, and set of fittings to fail-  and get warranty calls on.

To deal with vapor lock they just crank up the pressure to 65 or more psi. Very effective.

Not at all saying we should do the same, but the purpose is interesting, no? As well as the vapor lock" solution"...

Regards,
Chad


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