X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.121] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5068605 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 09:48:24 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.121; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=pLPlkKcK38cN4Cv4YkVeTGGRYpmKez/IrX640LVKWnc= c=1 sm=0 a=hbzr1sxPSq4A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=rPkcCx1H5rrOSfN0dPC7kw==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=eOprOc62uazpEMhzm1IA:9 a=6GB_pIIAbcIawi7PzgkA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=rPkcCx1H5rrOSfN0dPC7kw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 174.110.167.5 Received: from [174.110.167.5] ([174.110.167.5:55091] helo=EdPC) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id F5/71-20202-58B043E4; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 13:47:49 +0000 Message-ID: <552DDBF767DE4934AEEC73C99DC93601@EdPC> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Back to Phase 1 testing Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 09:47:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 The old nose is pretty sensitive to some things - paths could have been out from around the spinner/prop shaft, cowling seams, sheet metal seams, holes in firewall, etc. Distinguishing between fiberglass and electrical smells helps the pucker factor a bit. I recall when I popped my canopy after my departure off the runway with brake fluid fire - that I immediately knew my wheel pant was on fire due to the resin smell. Even before my favorite nephew popped his head in to tell me " Uncle Ed... you're on FIRE!" Ed -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tracy" Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:32 AM To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back to Phase 1 testing > Yeah, it was kind of a yawner. Except for the burning smell. Wasn't sure > if it was fiberglass or electrical for a minute there. Haven't removed > the dead coils yet but I'm pretty sure they are the culprits. Still > haven't found how the smell migrated to the cockpit though. > > I think the rotor 3 went (actually rotor 1 but I labeled my EGTs front to > back) because they were at the end of the cooling plenum farthest from the > blast tube. This was also the hottest day that I have done an extended > climb at high power. I have a temperature probe near those two coils and > I noticed the ambient around them got as high as 170 F. Need to do some > testing to determine if that blast tube is furnishing enough air. Oil and > water temps stayed below 200 the whole time. They dropped into the 125F > range during the descent to landing. > > Tracy > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 29, 2011, at 5:22 PM, "Ed Anderson" > wrote: > >> Gee, two rotors to come home on doesn't provide much excitement, Tracy. >> >> Sort of reminds me way back in the old days of using the Rx-7 ignition >> coils and ballast resistors blowing on them. For some reason seems like >> that only happened to you and me. >> >> We are all awaiting some performance numbers for that RV8-3R, so next >> time take your bottle and give those Ls1 coils a real try out. >> >> Ed >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Tracy" >> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:13 PM >> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back to Phase 1 testing >> >>> Was finally getting around to doing hot weather cooling and altitude >>> performance testing in the RV-8 yesterday. Cooling was good during a >>> high power climb to 14500 ft where I leveled out ( I had forgotten to >>> put the Ox bottle in the plane). Throttled up to WOT to see where the >>> speed topped out at but. After less than a minute I felt some engine >>> roughness and noticed rotor 3 EGT went above alarm threshold so I >>> throttled back to low power. #3 EGT then went low off scale and I >>> could tell that the engine was only running on 2 rotors. I then >>> smelled a faint electrical burning smell that lasted about 2 minutes. >>> Engine was surprisingly smooth for having a dead rotor and still had >>> more than enough power for cruise flight but obviously it was time to >>> get back on the ground and find out what went wrong. did all the usual >>> diagnostics on the long glide down with no joy. >>> >>> Made normal landing, poped off the cowl and coil diagnostics test >>> revealed that both coils on rotor 3 were dead. I had done the coil >>> disable tests prior to takeoff so I know they were both good then. I'm >>> using RX-8 coils and there have been too many failures for me to feel >>> good about them any longer. I ordered a set of LS-1s to replace them. >>> >>> Tracy >>> -- >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive and UnSub: >>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >