X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net ([162.39.147.110] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5061401 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 17:56:36 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=162.39.147.110; envelope-from=montyr2157@windstream.net Return-Path: X-WS-COS: WSOB804 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=zpEVLrfg3cs8wptIbL0X5sNkoBAa6C+kn90HM9SbW/c= c=1 sm=0 a=UT_QgiwtmQIA:10 a=8jHJHKiYPAXl4md8pmUA:9 a=VkOxQTQv2UWq5k8MXg8A:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=g0VNnc0poCJtwJdy72QA:9 a=Q0jMwQZARMVa4P5HNCcA:7 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=fB4gTx/pk9XYdTWILuAbrw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=montyr2157; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.20.165.89] ([98.20.165.89:61092] helo=newbox) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.45 r()) with ESMTPA id 6E/DB-08206-1734B2E4; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 17:56:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: "MONTY ROBERTS" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Off Subject Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 16:56:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01CC4959.66E2FA50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CC4959.66E2FA50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "we did learn how to live in space for long periods of time " I beg to differ. NASA steadfastly refuses to do any work on how much = gravity is required to prevent the human body from self destructing. It = was never about learning much of anything. I was about distributing pork = to various congressional districts...mostly in Florida, Utah, Alabama, = Mississippi, and Texas...you can chart where the powerful senators were = by the waxing and waning of the NASA centers. RE technology transfer. There is the seen and the unseen. In other = words, what things did not happen because the funding was diverted to = NASA, and what things has NASA actually done as a regulatory agency that = hampers space exploration. I've seen the other side of things, don't = believe the propaganda they tout to keep the pork flowing. RE bureaucrats and politicians....not the military industrial complex = per se...just institutional inertia.. Branson I think is wasting his money. Elon Musk and Bigelow...maybe it = will get somewhere. I hope so. But there are just fundamental = technological limits we are up against. We are waiting for some = breakthroughs in hard science. Yeah...cut the foreign aid. Cut it all.....then cut it again. When you = get done with that, sell the buildings, the land, and auction the rights = for viewing the hangings....does that clarify where I am coming from. /Rant. Monty ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thomas Mann=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 3:54 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Off Subject Yes, the shuttle was not the solution that it was advertised. However: It was the workhorse that took the largest pieces of the ISS into = orbit. No, we did not go anywhere (no deep space exploration) but we did = learn how to live in space for long peiods of time which is a = prerequosite to deep space travel and exploration. We live with the benefits of the space program everyday even though = they are not so obvious.=20 Example: Look at the difference in size and capability of a camcorder = from 20 years ago to today. That's a result of technology that came out = of the space program. Discovery is the byproduct of the space program.=20 NASA knows what the right answers are. It's unfortunate that they are = being dismantled to the point that they will never be allowed to pursue = those solutions. In the meantime instead of exporting our dollars to space we will be = exporting them to foriegn governments (whose population wants to kill = us) and call it financial aid. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CC4959.66E2FA50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"we did learn how to live in space for long periods of time "
 
I beg to differ. NASA steadfastly = refuses to do any=20 work on how much gravity is required to prevent the human body from self = destructing. It was never about learning much of anything. I was about=20 distributing pork to various congressional districts...mostly in = Florida, Utah,=20 Alabama, Mississippi, and Texas...you can chart where the powerful = senators were=20 by the waxing and waning of the NASA centers.
 
RE technology transfer. There is the = seen and the=20 unseen. In other words, what things did not happen because the funding = was=20 diverted to NASA, and what things has NASA actually done as a regulatory = agency=20 that hampers space exploration. I've seen the other side of things, = don't=20 believe the propaganda they tout to keep the pork flowing.
 
RE bureaucrats and politicians....not = the military=20 industrial complex per se...just institutional inertia..
 
Branson I think is wasting his money. = Elon Musk and=20 Bigelow...maybe it will get somewhere. I hope so. But there are just = fundamental=20 technological limits we are up against. We are waiting for some = breakthroughs in=20 hard science.
 
Yeah...cut the foreign aid. Cut it = all.....then cut=20 it again. When you get done with that, sell the buildings, the = land, and=20 auction the rights for viewing the hangings....does that clarify where I = am=20 coming from.
 
/Rant.
 
Monty
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Thomas=20 Mann
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 = 3:54=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Off=20 Subject

Yes, the shuttle was not the solution that it was = advertised.
However:
It was the workhorse that took the largest pieces of the ISS into = orbit.
 
No, we did not go anywhere (no deep space exploration) but we did = learn=20 how to live in space for long peiods of time which is a prerequosite = to deep=20 space travel and exploration.
 
We live with the benefits of the space program everyday even = though they=20 are not so obvious.
Example: Look at the difference in size and capability of a = camcorder=20 from 20 years ago to today. That's a result of technology that came = out of the=20 space program.
 
Discovery is the byproduct of the space program.
 
NASA knows what the right answers are. It's unfortunate that they = are=20 being dismantled to the point that they will never be allowed to = pursue those=20 solutions.
 
In the meantime instead of exporting our dollars to space we will = be=20 exporting them to foriegn governments (whose population wants to kill = us) and=20 call it financial aid.
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