X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([98.139.213.146] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with SMTP id 5061377 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 16:35:34 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.213.146; envelope-from=bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2011 20:35:00 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.48] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2011 20:35:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2011 20:35:00 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1311453300; bh=zd1pUAxzgbiwPeHhNYISF8Y1KWulniFswaJ+JGvDcOc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=eWrjtWrnm85SvYgaGUeEkEgiWJ+uKasDSdObPutzq9g8iIIVKOemc2pjfXgAkPpfiv3skUNZJV3566BSTthp9GOgwbpLQ8fGPf/ZZypqb225ndKO6gOwrjgN7lidv9Uw0lUbPKaR+LdkEqFF2DYDAa6D7XSHN3Sv2gUyI6RDvVw= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 230033.10376.bm@smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 6xJvmekVM1lt5HjYyU5CVr29udG7Puf179_rlSge6ghi3Do l14yHTKHqMdj1KJiU6dPwY_mnXI0ytHuWYvwhIBpg3q5uDVW9fzu.ZtFxsm7 q57vGZjLCSvXcGSGX7j20WdfKIevTl_CL.eCOT5dMKAb3TV4o.j1NRn7kKuF do58IS5jTRJ9p5_z3fYFmzMONAm5dRvJOnjrT9NOzF17kt3XaNZB29yU0Hmu ZsM0nsLjRzSdzCtDbjjv0OtpMS8sFfU2S9DCuKCYDEhR2w9_951wdYNEFF18 .x0vTgJm9rIGy42yfcIIjR2nNT0E6l9ceER5zobkmWiuHIuJ3DPnT3Br4Js2 HhTU- X-Yahoo-SMTP: OSuEAS2swBAaBd4uKxevNivslbMG7JXpWjAWZVmoYyRm6qcW_W2VUA-- Received: from acer7fbfa7e2f7 (bryanwinberry@98.88.93.31 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2011 13:34:59 -0700 PDT From: "Bryan Winberry" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Off Subject Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 16:34:50 -0400 Message-ID: <96AC97C224854116BE21F0D08D9B774F@acer7fbfa7e2f7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009A_01CC4956.752C3BB0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Thread-Index: AcxJdteoY6dLfSSBRhORwZ1rgiSIKAAALq2w This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CC4956.752C3BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Monty, "Political and bureaucratic interests". Is that basically a reference to the military industrial complex? I wonder what Branson and others see (other than possible profit and bragging rights) in private endeavors. Bryan _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of MONTY ROBERTS Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:26 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Off Subject That's easy...goals. Apollo had a fixed goal and timeframe to achieve it. That was the last time there was a goal. Since then NASA has been captured by political and bureaucratic interests. NASA should be abolished totally...I used to work there. White collar welfare. Perhaps keep the JPL and allow them to do robotic/science missions and buy rocket rides from Elon Musk...or the lowest bidder. I'm a recovering space enthusiast....The rocket equation is a bitch. Until we figure out mass-les propulsion...human spaceflight will remain impractical. You have no idea how much this pains me. Monty ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Winberry To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 2:45 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Off Subject William, Nice read, but one question: Why can't a government sponsored program work? As you yourself said, it seemed to with Apollo. Bryan ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CC4956.752C3BB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Monty,

“Political and bureaucratic interests”.  Is that basically a reference to the military = industrial complex?

 

I wonder what Branson and others = see (other than possible profit and bragging rights) in private = endeavors.

 

Bryan

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of MONTY ROBERTS
Sent: Saturday, July 23, = 2011 4:26 PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Off Subject

 

That's easy...goals. Apollo had a fixed goal and timeframe to achieve it. That was the last time there was a goal. = Since then NASA has been captured by political and bureaucratic = interests.

 

NASA should be abolished totally...I used to = work there. White collar welfare.

 

Perhaps keep the JPL and allow them to do robotic/science missions and buy rocket rides from Elon Musk...or the = lowest bidder.

 

I'm a recovering space enthusiast....The rocket = equation is a bitch. Until we figure out mass-les propulsion...human spaceflight = will remain impractical.

 

You have no idea how much this pains = me.

 

Monty

----- Original Message ----- =

Sent: = Saturday, July 23, 2011 2:45 PM

Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re: Off Subject

 

William,

Nice read, but one = question:

 

Why can’t a government = sponsored program work?  

As you yourself said, it seemed to = with Apollo.

Bryan

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