X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-fx0-f42.google.com ([209.85.161.42] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTPS id 5061328 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:57:18 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.161.42; envelope-from=wdleonard@gmail.com Received: by fxe23 with SMTP id 23so5549660fxe.1 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 11:56:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=W1vVSahO8Ezbn/Q+8MPMz6jDslYCsL9GFVL2SyUCfP0=; b=xl25dYinIfbmmYskfdeoVbauvskeW2V54r+b0mgQzM9rfLi6FKceR7budl7ZOBeBFW WbNmKiXKjDEPJKZfoN54ptzJrW0obTx9NK8iJhN1RfroV/6dLrcPoleQBgTIFd4PG2qj jiY95RDqTBWhGNsMBYtvt+7dzDk9SlusXxqP0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.100.197 with SMTP id z5mr4150337fan.46.1311447403916; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 11:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.96.197 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 11:56:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 11:56:43 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements From: David Leonard To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517491f5aa6ed7604a8c12456 --001517491f5aa6ed7604a8c12456 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Kelly, Yes, I have it and I took it out to the hangar yesterday. All my preliminary measurements seem to be more or less accurate. Meaning that I will have to shave a little off the face of the flywheel and/or the spline of the damper plate. I also need to extend the starter about .37 inches to reach the ring gear. On the back of the flywheel, the surface is flat in the locations of the holes and there is enough room to fit the nuts without any machine work, but if I want to use washers, I will need to do some machine work there to fit the washers. with such a thick steel plate, washers probably would not be necessary. So my plans are to machine down face of the flywheel like you suggest, so that the slip surface is flush with the main part of the plate. I will have the mill drill the holes (Tracy suggests that, and it makes sense). I will also mill 0.17 in off both the flange of the starter and into the adapter plate to make up the 0.37 inches to the flywheel ring gear. Final measurements still pending on that starter distance, but it is pretty close. -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Kelly Troyer wrote: > Dave do you have your flywheel yet and have you come to any preliminary > conclusions on mods > necessary to make it and the starter mate up ??.............. > > Kelly Troyer > *"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)* > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo > > *From:* Kelly Troyer > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2011 6:50 PM > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements > > Dave, > Clarification.............. > > *One more thing the 86-91 auto trans starter is the same as the Turbo > starter.......Only difference * > *I can see is the front Bendix hsg has a little more material machined of > presumably to clear the * > *curved trans converter..............The mounting bolt spacing is also > different and new holes would * > *need to be drilled in the RD1X front plate...............* > ** > * *What I meant to say was "The 86-91 Auto trans and Turbo starter mount > spacing is different than the 86-91 > manual trans starter that Tracy calls out for the RD1X re-drive and > requires new mounting holes drilled"......... > > Kelly Troyer > *"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)* > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo > > *From:* Kelly Troyer > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:34 PM > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements > > Dave, > > Tracy said in previous post about the spacer that front of the drive > spline hub can be machined > off to provide clearance with front mount plate........... I realize > several measurements would have to > be made to verify hub positioning , input shaft spline engagement , etc + > starter engagement to > utilize a counterweight/flywheel spacer..............Also I know you are > under a time constraint in order > .......... > Have all the parts available and do a bolt up to verify all > dimensions...........Measure at least twice > before cutting metal !!........................<:) > > Kelly Troyer > *"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)* > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo > > *From:* David Leonard > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2011 3:52 PM > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements > > Thanks Kelly, > I am not sure that I am interested in using a spacer, because my > measurements say the flywheel will put the damper plate a little too far aft > (in the car) as it is. No good to fix one problem and create another. > There is not really any room to move the damper plate closer to the gear > box. > > My flex plate has not arrived yet, so no trial fits so far. > > Thanks for taking all those measurements. Looks like if I switched to the > turbo starter I could account for almost half of the material that I would > have to machine off. OTOH, you never know if switching the solenoid to the > other side is going to cause some sort of interference problem with > something else under my cowl... So I will probably just take off the > material and call it a day. > -- > David Leonard > > Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY > http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net > http://RotaryRoster.net > > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Kelly Troyer wrote: > > Dave, > > Spent about 3 hours Wednesday in my 110F hangar measuring starters , > Tracy's RD1X mounting > plates , and both manual & auto transmission bell hsg starter mount > area................Tracy's RD1X mtg > plates from 13B rear hsg to starter mt surface is 3.550 (same as 86-91 > manual bell hsg)..............The > 86-91 auto trans measures 3.700 (essentially the > same)....................Measured my 86 manual starter > (what Tracy calls out for the RD1X re-drive) , My 88 auto trans starter (I > am using auto bell hsg with a > extended RD1C input shaft......Like Bulent did)(Do not ask Tracy to make > one.....Bulent and I cured > him of one off's) and a 93-95 turbo starter.............Results below > > 86-91 manual > starter 86-91 auto > starter 93-95 turbo starter > > mount diameter > 2.635 > 2.635 2.635 > > mt flange to bendix gear > 1.720 > 1.875 1.875 > (unactivated) > > mt flange to bendix gear > 2.220 > 2.375 2.375 > (solenoid activated) > > Have you done a test mount of the 'ACT" flywheel yet to measure > exactly how much the starter needs to be > repositioned??..................Also have you given any thought to using a > spacer suggested by Tracy between the > flywheel and counterweight.............I did not find my 0.500 spacer that > I offered while searching yesterday but I > will find it (thats what happens when your day job (caretaker) keeps you > 55 miles and 5 years from your project) > and you forget where you put things for safekeeping > !!.......................<:) > > > Kelly Troyer > *"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)* > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo > > *From:* Kelly Troyer > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 19, 2011 6:42 PM > ** > > > > > > > > > --001517491f5aa6ed7604a8c12456 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kelly, Yes, I have it and I took it out to the hangar yesterday.=A0 All = my preliminary measurements seem to be more or less accurate.=A0 Meaning th= at I will have to shave a little off the face of the flywheel and/or the sp= line of the damper plate.=A0 I also need to extend the starter about .37 in= ches to reach the ring gear.=A0

On the back of the flywheel, the surface is flat in the locations of th= e holes and there is enough room to fit the nuts without any machine work, = but if I want to use washers, I will need to do some machine work there to = fit the washers.=A0 with such a thick steel plate, washers probably would n= ot be necessary.=A0

So my plans are to machine down face of the flywheel like you suggest, = so that the slip surface is flush with the main part of the plate.=A0 I wil= l have the mill drill the holes (Tracy suggests that, and it makes sense).= =A0 I will also mill 0.17 in off both the flange of the starter and into th= e adapter plate to make up the 0.37 inches to the flywheel ring gear.=A0 Fi= nal measurements still pending on that starter distance, but it is pretty c= lose.

--
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrote:
Da= ve do you have your flywheel yet and have you come to any preliminary concl= usions on mods
necessary to make it and the starter mate up ??..............
=A0
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2&= quot; (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC= 2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

= From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircr= aft <fl= yrotary@lancaironline.net>
= Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 6:50 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: <= span>Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements

Dave,
=A0=A0=A0 Clarification..............<= /span>
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
One more thing the 86-91 auto trans starter is t= he same as the=A0 Turbo starter.......Only difference
I can see is the front Bendix hsg has a littl= e more material machined of presumably to clear the
curved trans converter..............The mounting bolt spacing is also different and new holes would
need to be drilled in the RD1X front plate...............=
=A0
=A0=A0 What I meant to say was "The 86-91 Auto trans=A0and Turbo starter mount spacing i= s different than the 86-91
manual trans starter that Tracy calls out for=A0the= RD1X re-drive and requires new mounting holes drilled".........=A0=
=A0
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"= RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL&= quot;_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircr= aft <fl= yrotary@lancaironline.net>
= Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:34 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: <= span>Ok Here are= the important flywheel measurements

Dave,
=A0
=A0=A0=A0 Tracy said in previous post about the spacer that fron= t of the drive spline hub can be machined
off to provide clearance with front mount plate........... I rea= lize several measurements would have to
be made to verify hub positioning , input shaft spline engagemen= t=A0, etc + starter engagement to
utilize a counterweight/flywheel spacer..............Also I know= you are under a time constraint in = order
..........=A0
=A0 Have all the parts available and do a bolt up to verify all = dimensions...........Measure at least twice
before cutting metal !!........................<:)=
=A0
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"= RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL&= quot;_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From: David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com> To: Rotary motors in aircr= aft <fl= yrotary@lancaironline.net>
= Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 3:52 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: <= span>Ok Here are= the important flywheel measurements

Thanks Kelly,
I am not sure that I am interested in using a spacer, because my measu= rements say=A0the flywheel will put the damper plate a little too far=A0aft= (in the car)=A0as it is.=A0 No good to fix one problem=A0and create=A0anot= her.=A0 There is not really any room to move the damper plate closer to the= gear box.
=A0
My flex plate has not arrived yet, so no trial fits so far.
=A0
Thanks for taking all those measurements.=A0 Looks like if I switched = to the turbo starter I could account for almost half of the material that I= would have to machine off.=A0 OTOH, you never know if switching the soleno= id to the other side is going to cause some sort of interference problem wi= th something else under my cowl... So I will probably just take off the mat= erial and call it a day.
--
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster= .net
htt= p://RotaryRoster.net


On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Kelly Troyer <<= a href=3D"mailto:keltro@att.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">keltro@= att.net> wrote:
Dave,
=A0
=A0=A0 Spent about 3 hours Wednesday in my 110F hangar measuring starters , Tracy's RD1X mountin= g
plates , and both manual & auto transmission bell hsg starter mount ar= ea................Tracy's RD1X mtg
plates from 13B rear hsg to starter mt surface is 3.550 (same as 86-91 man= ual bell hsg)..............The
86-91 auto trans measures 3.700 (essentially the same)..........= ..........Measured my 86 manual starter
(what Tracy calls out for the RD1X re-drive) , My 88 auto trans starter (I am using auto bell = hsg with a
extended RD1C input shaft......Like Bulent did)(Do not ask Tracy to make o= ne.....Bulent and I cured
him of one off's= ) and a 93-95 turbo starter.............Results below<= /span>
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 86-91 manual s= tarter=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 86-91 auto starter=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= 93-95 turbo starter
=A0
mount diameter=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A02.635=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2.635=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= 2.635
=A0
mt flange to bendix<= /span> gear=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1.720=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1.875=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 1.875
=A0=A0=A0=A0 (unactivated)
=A0
mt flange to bendix<= /span> gear=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2.220=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2.375=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 2.375
=A0=A0=A0 (solenoid activated)
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Have you done a test mount of the 'ACT&qu= ot; flywheel yet to measure exactly how much the starter needs to be
repositioned??..................Also have you given any thought = to using a spacer suggested by Tracy between the
flywheel and counterweight.............I did not find=A0my =A00.= 500 spacer that I offered while searching yesterday but I
will find it (thats<= /span> what happens when your day job (caretaker) keeps you 5= 5 miles and 5 years from your project)
and you forget where you put things for safekeeping !!..........= .............<:)
=A0
=A0
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"= RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL&= quot;_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net= >=20

To: Rotary motors= in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 6:4= 2 PM=20

=A0









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