X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm23-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with SMTP id 5061295 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 13:12:59 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.180; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.44.102] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2011 17:12:26 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.82] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2011 17:12:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2011 17:12:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 983480.79174.bm@omp1019.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 79566 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jul 2011 17:12:25 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1311441145; bh=A8n3rHrXcuz1hS/cEDx1Dh3LZTKsTZWd1kFE+CvIVNo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JmofFL9qvFqZPA5C6CY8/plRU2BWsBYv1+WTJSnxGVQdEcTDGbkGr19n0DzAzlJcg1ma91lKvgXc5fllD5gUi15q/Bp3o8FeiVzc4KZ+b9iKq4Q47UQpPIv6DiIACO01TVG5C06WPCkJ+Jm3Z9aSJQ002VOFFTYiamNww2AsvR0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=K/u8G6dB921u1P3cc6rHT0xflvUqngaMdlhEZvXIDFOspdxn2GzOSGV/NaKkXqG8D19FwlpAXtiuTWpKEOInu3JGLIBoEO9+pMX8UCmfRv2mKHbLFGMJ8bhrOItZ5ATw6Wfu82O2bs6EE2Mo+ivOPNTuy/OHqXy4l8dXbG4roXw=; X-YMail-OSG: dAbG.PoVM1lyT5ucRTAY2TqgglY.ZfwhF2ICBdNEfwBiXN3 T3vLsLxty Received: from [208.114.39.18] by web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 10:12:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 References: Message-ID: <1311441145.50351.YahooMailNeo@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 10:12:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Troyer Reply-To: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1257084405-1311441145=:50351" --0-1257084405-1311441145=:50351 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave do you have your flywheel yet and have you come to any preliminary con= clusions on mods=0Anecessary to make it and the starter mate up ??.........= .....=0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Eng= ine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"= _TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0AFrom: Kelly Troyer =0ATo: Rotary motors = in aircraft =0ASent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 6= :50 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measur= ements=0A=0A=0ADave,=0A=A0=A0=A0 Clarification..............=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 =0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTA= RY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURB= ONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0AFrom: Kelly Troyer =0ATo: Rotary= motors in aircraft =0ASent: Thursday, July 21= , 2011 4:34 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are the important flywhee= l measurements=0A=0A=0ADave,=0A=A0=0A=A0=A0=A0 Tracy said in previous post = about the spacer that front of the drive spline hub can be machined =0Aoff = to provide clearance with front mount plate........... I realize several me= asurements would have to =0Abe made to verify hub positioning , input shaft= spline engagement=A0, etc + starter engagement to=0Autilize a counterweigh= t/flywheel spacer..............Also I know you are under a time constraint = in order=0A..........=A0=0A=A0 Have all the parts available and do a bolt u= p to verify all dimensions...........Measure at least twice=0Abefore cuttin= g metal !!........................<:)=0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" = (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backpl= ate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0AFrom: David Leonard =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 3:52 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok = Here are the important flywheel measurements=0A=0A=0AThanks Kelly,=0AI am n= ot sure that I am interested in using a spacer, because my measurements say= =A0the flywheel will put the damper plate a little too far=A0aft (in the ca= r)=A0as it is.=A0 No good to fix one problem=A0and create=A0another.=A0 The= re is not really any room to move the damper plate closer to the gear box.= =0A=0AMy flex plate has not arrived yet, so no trial fits so far.=0A=0AThan= ks for taking all those measurements.=A0 Looks like if I switched to the tu= rbo starter I could account for almost half of the material that I would ha= ve to machine off.=A0 OTOH, you never know if switching the solenoid to the= other side is going to cause some sort of interference problem with someth= ing else under my cowl... So I will probably just take off the material and= call it a day.=0A-- =0ADavid Leonard=0A=0ATurbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY=0Ahttp://= N4VY.RotaryRoster.net=0Ahttp://RotaryRoster.net=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Thu, Jul 21, = 2011 at 11:34 AM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=0A=0ADave,=0A>=A0=0A= >=A0=A0 Spent about 3 hours Wednesday in my 110F hangar measuring starters = , Tracy's RD1X mounting=0A>plates , and both manual & auto transmission bel= l hsg starter mount area................Tracy's RD1X mtg=0A>plates from 13B= rear hsg to starter mt surface is 3.550 (same as 86-91 manual bell hsg)...= ...........The=0A>86-91 auto trans measures 3.700 (essentially the same)...= .................Measured my 86 manual starter=0A>(what Tracy calls out for= the RD1X re-drive) , My 88 auto trans starter (I am using auto bell hsg wi= th a=0A>extended RD1C input shaft......Like Bulent did)(Do not ask Tracy to= make one.....Bulent and I cured=0A>him of one off's) and a 93-95 turbo sta= rter.............Results below=0A>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=0A>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 86-91 manua= l starter=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 86-91 auto starter=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 93-95 turbo starter=0A>=A0=0A>mount diameter=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A02.635=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 2.635=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2.635=0A>=A0=0A>mt flange to bendix gear=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1.720=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1.875=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1.875= =0A>=A0=A0=A0=A0 (unactivated)=0A>=A0=0A>mt flange to bendix gear=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2.220=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2.375=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= 2.375=0A>=A0=A0=A0 (solenoid activated)=0A>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =0A>=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 Have you done a test mount of the 'ACT" flywheel yet to measur= e exactly how much the starter needs to be =0A>repositioned??..............= ....Also have you given any thought to using a spacer suggested by Tracy be= tween the =0A>flywheel and counterweight.............I did not find=A0my = =A00.500 spacer that I offered while searching yesterday but I=0A>will find= it (thats what happens when your day job (caretaker) keeps you 55 miles an= d 5 years from your project)=0A>and you forget where you put things for saf= ekeeping !!.......................<:)=0A>=A0=0A>=0A>Kelly Troyer=0A>"DYKE D= ELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>"MI= STRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>=0A>=0A>From= : Kelly Troyer =0A>=0A>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 6:42 PM =0A>=0A>= =A0=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOne more thing the 86-91 auto trans starter is the same a= s the=A0 Turbo starter.......Only difference =0AI can see is the front Bend= ix hsg has a little more material machined of presumably to clear the =0Acu= rved trans converter..............The mounting bolt spacing is also differe= nt and new holes would =0Aneed to be drilled in the RD1X front plate.......= ........=0A=A0=0A=A0=A0 What I meant to say was "The 86-91 Auto trans=A0and= Turbo starter mount spacing is different than the 86-91 =0Amanual trans st= arter that Tracy calls out for=A0the RD1X re-drive and requires new mountin= g holes drilled".........=A0 --0-1257084405-1311441145=:50351 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dave do you have your flywheel yet and have you come= to any preliminary conclusions on mods
necessary to make it= and the starter mate up ??..............
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE D= ELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM= 2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From:= Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancair= online.net>
Sent: Thu= rsday, July 21, 2011 6:50 PM
Subjec= t: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are the = important flywheel measurements

Dave,
    Clar= ification..............
        
One more thing the 86-91 auto trans starter is t= he same as the  Turbo starter.......Only difference
I can see is the front Bendix hsg has a little more material machined = of presumably to clear the
curved trans converter..............The mounting bolt spacing is also different and new holes would
need to be drilled in the RD1X front plate...............=
 
   What I meant to say wa= s "The 86-91 Auto trans and Turbo starter mount spacing is different t= han the 86-91
manual trans starter that Tracy calls out for = the RD1X re-drive and requires new mounting holes drilled"......... 
 
Kelly Troyer
"= DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS<= /SPAN>"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil = Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From: Kelly Troyer <ke= ltro@att.net>
To: Rot= ary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:34 PMSubject: [FlyRotary] Re: <= SPAN id=3Dyiv1734498154misspell-13>Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements

Dave,
 
    Tracy said in previous post about the spacer = that front of the drive spline hub can be machined
off to provide clearance with front mount plate........... I rea= lize several measurements would have to
be made to verify hub positioning , input shaft spline engagemen= t , etc + starter engagement to
utilize a counterweight/flywheel spacer..............Also I know= you are under a time constraint in order
.......... 
  Have all the parts available and do a bolt up to verify a= ll dimensions...........Measure at least twice
before cutting metal = !!........................<:)
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"R= WS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS<= /SPAN>"_TO4E50 Turbo

From: David Leonard <w= dleonard@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 3:52= PM
Subject: [FlyRotary]= Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements

Thanks Kelly,
I am not sure that I am interested in using a spacer, because my measu= rements say the flywheel will put the damper plate a little too far&nb= sp;aft (in the car) as it is.  No good to fix one problem an= d create another.  There is not really any room to move the dampe= r plate closer to the gear box.
 
My flex plate has not arrived yet, so no trial fits so far.
 
Thanks for taking all those measurements.  Looks like if I switch= ed to the turbo starter I could account for almost half of the material tha= t I would have to machine off.  OTOH, you never know if switching the = solenoid to the other side is going to cause some sort of interference prob= lem with something else under my cowl... So I will probably just take off t= he material and call it a day.
--
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.Rot= aryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net


On Thu, Jul 21,= 2011 at 11:34 AM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrote:
Dave,
 
   Spent about 3 hours Wednesday in my 110F hangar = measuring starters , Tracy's RD1X mounting
plates , and both manual & auto transmission bell hsg s= tarter mount area................Tracy's RD1X mtg
plates from 13B rear hsg to starter mt surface is 3.550 (sa= me as 86-91 manual bell hsg)..............The
86-91 auto trans measures 3.700 (essentially the same)..........= ..........Measured my 86 manual starter
(what Tracy calls out for the RD1X re-drive) , My 88 auto trans starter (I am using auto bell <= SPAN id=3Dmisspell-29>hsg with a<= /DIV>
extended RD1C input shaft......Like Bulent did)(Do not ask Tr= acy to make one.....Bulent and I cured
him of one off's) and a 93-95 turbo starter.............Resul= ts below
          &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;     
          &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;      86-91 manual starter   &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;      86-91 auto starter    =             &nb= sp;            =     93-95 turbo starter
 
mount diameter        &n= bsp;            = ;       2.635     &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;    2.635        = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;      2.635
 
mt flange to bendix gear      &= nbsp;       1.720    &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;     1.875           &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =    1.875
     (unactivated)
 
mt flange to bendix gear      &= nbsp;       2.220    &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;      2.375           &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =    2.375
    (solenoid activated)
      
       Have you done a test mount = of the 'ACT" flywheel yet to measure exactly how much the starter needs to = be
repositioned??..................Also have you given any thought = to = using<= /SPAN> a spacer suggested by Tracy between the =
flywheel and counterweight.............I did not find my &n= bsp;0.500 spacer that I offered while searching yesterday but I
will find it (thats what happens when your day job (caretaker= ) keeps you 55 miles and 5 years from your project)
and you forget where you put things for safekeeping !!..........= .............<:)
 
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"R= WS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS<= /SPAN>"_TO4E50 Turbo

From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>=20

To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 6:42 PM=20

 






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