X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-yi0-f52.google.com ([209.85.218.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTPS id 5061267 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 12:48:29 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.218.52; envelope-from=rwstracy@gmail.com Received: by yie19 with SMTP id 19so2427462yie.25 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 09:47:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=IhYagJsmMMlC3k4lyJ1qyNkkEXHL09+V/IVWxMludu8=; b=hSCu84VwGtfKcIg/sm7oaIHdhDUwnpqti5zqWajiznwWR6CRBpAIM1U9VijWVqHZa8 JSxAIsMgO2GsIP/fE+naI+9pN2ZefIbacyGDtNKf+lVE42Be+t5W9PtYc0Vg3zdIyGDs R+UmBJYOLwuKXserW4x336YAPNisH7IfFhuzg= Received: by 10.150.205.7 with SMTP id c7mr3100667ybg.131.1311439674840; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 09:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [10.0.1.3] (99-197-145-127.cust.wildblue.net [99.197.145.127]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d21sm307831ybl.5.2011.07.23.09.47.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 23 Jul 2011 09:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Off Subject References: From: Tracy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-34-272504825 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (8F191) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <65A75DF9-BE04-4A5A-90E3-740AD6170D53@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 12:47:37 -0400 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 8F191) --Apple-Mail-34-272504825 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I grew up dreaming of space travel but I'm even more driven by reality. =20= If you understand the goal of the space shuttle, you are forced to acknowled= ge that it was a monumental failure. It was touted to be a low cost space t= ransportation system but on a cost per pound delivered to orbit, it was by f= ar the most expensive system ever built. The throwaway Saturn 5 rocket was= far cheaper and more reliable to boot. The Lowest cost for a shuttle missi= on was about 500 million not including mission payload costs. The Russians c= harge us 125 million per space station resupply missions including all paylo= ad costs. =20 And don't get me started on the "international space station " itself. It h= as no commercial sponsors as originally intended because it has no commercia= l use and darn little scientific use. And the US pays very near 100% of th= e costs. =20 The only worthwhile accomplishment of the shuttle was the launch and repair o= f the Hubble telescope. It replacement (the much larger and powerful James W= ebb telescope) will be launched by the French Ariane 5 rocket. THAT sorry s= tate of affairs is the fault of the shuttle program which ate up all develop= ment funds that could have gone to something worthwhile. OK, end of rant : ) Tracy Sent from my iPad On Jul 23, 2011, at 12:13 PM, "Bobby J. Hughes" wrote: > Makes me feel a little sick.=20 >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 > On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:53 AM, "Kelly Troyer" wrote: >=20 >> Sorry State of affairs!! >> =20 >>=20 >> Russia Says End Of Shuttle Program Ushers In The 'Era Of Soyuz' Points To= 'Reliability' Of Its Spacecraft In A Post-Shuttle=20 >> World=20 >>=20 >> Russia says the end of the U.S. Space Shuttle program marks the=20 >> beginning of the "Era Of Soyuz" for transportation to the=20 >> International Space Station.=20 >>=20 >> "=46rom today, the era of the Soyuz has started in manned space=20 >> flight, the era of reliability," the Russian space agency Roscosmos=20 >> said in a statement.=20 >>=20 >> The French news service AFP reports that the Soyuz design has=20 >> changed little since Yuri Gagarin first climbed aboard one to=20 >> become the first man in orbit. But the Russian space agency says=20 >> they have continuously improved the spacecraft, and the fact that=20 >> it is still flying as the shuttle program ends is a testament to=20 >> the "reliability and not to mention cost efficiency" of the older=20 >> design.=20 >>=20 >> In a nod to the U.S. Space program, the statement said "Mankind=20 >> acknowledges the role of American space ships in exploring the=20 >> cosmos."=20 >>=20 >> But Russia is clearly basking in the fact that it now has the=20 >> only vehicle capable of transporting humans to the ISS and back=20 >> likely until 2016 at the earliest.=20 >> FMI: www.roscosmos.ru/main.php >> =20 >> Kelly Troyer >> "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) >> "13B ROTARY"_ Engine >> "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 >> "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold >> "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo --Apple-Mail-34-272504825 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I grew up dreaming of space travel but I= 'm even more driven by reality.   

If you= understand the goal of the space shuttle, you are forced to acknowledge tha= t it was a monumental failure.  It was touted to be a low cost space tr= ansportation system but on a cost per pound delivered to orbit, it was by fa= r the most expensive system ever built.   The throwaway Saturn 5 rocket= was far cheaper and more reliable to boot.  The Lowest cost for a shut= tle mission was about 500 million not including mission payload costs.  = ;The Russians charge us 125 million per space station resupply missions incl= uding all payload costs.  

And don't get me started on th= e "international space station " itself.  It has no commercial sponsors= as originally intended because it has no commercial use and darn little sci= entific use.   And the US pays very near 100% of the costs.  

The only worthwhile accomplishment of the shuttle was t= he launch and repair of the Hubble telescope.  It replacement (the much= larger and powerful James Webb telescope) will be launched by the French Ar= iane 5 rocket.   THAT sorry state of affairs is the fault of the shuttl= e program which ate up all development funds that could have gone to somethi= ng worthwhile.

OK, end of rant : )

Tracy
Sent from my iPad

On Jul 23, 2011, at 12:13 P= M, "Bobby J. Hughes" <bhughes@qnsi.ne= t> wrote:

Makes me feel a little sick. 

Sent from my iPad

O= n Jul 23, 2011, at 10:53 AM, "Kelly Troyer" <keltro@att.net> wrote:
Sorry State of affairs!!
 

Russia Says End O= f Shuttle Program Ushers In The 'Era Of Soyuz' Points To 'Reliability' Of It= s Spacecraft In A Post-Shuttle
World

Russia says the end of the U= .S. Space Shuttle program marks the
beginning of the "Era Of Soyuz" for t= ransportation to the
International Space Station.

"=46rom today,= the era of the Soyuz has started in manned space
flight, the era of rel= iability," the Russian space agency Roscosmos
said in a statement.
<= br>The French news service AFP reports that the Soyuz design has
changed= little since Yuri Gagarin first climbed aboard one to
become the first m= an in orbit. But the Russian space agency says
they have continuously im= proved the spacecraft, and the fact that
it is still flying as the shutt= le program ends is a testament to
the "reliability and not to mention co= st efficiency" of the older
design.

In a nod to the U.S. Space program, the statement said "Mankind
acknowledges the ro= le of American space ships in exploring the
cosmos."

But Russia i= s clearly basking in the fact that it now has the
only vehicle capable o= f transporting humans to the ISS and back
likely until 2016 at the earli= est.
FMI: www.roscosmos.ru/main.php
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil M= anifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
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