X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm11-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.124] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with SMTP id 5059625 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 19:51:00 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.124; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.44.99] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 23:50:25 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.82] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 23:50:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 23:50:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 556040.96732.bm@omp1019.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 8483 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2011 23:50:25 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1311292225; bh=S21BnFGIlamtBeqMLRKU6j+7qeoE8MeGyot6TtVcxuI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=naF5fHzJrulf69Jj252P06DqaOSDBFzgzwulwcjUHzHFB4Hl50J/mYqb+QAu5eKu4YICUv+3dXOc0Ic8eXwLh/Y2rDZBEdYDATwxwAZbIgPjfvAadmta9sNdArBKI9RxIKovBmaEoE39TK7PDFwXWx1DLt3sYyEsms2exg0tGaY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rjYPIimjOF5ZCbViDvF8biyZYJgm4lA8zXPqiVnt7jQQ7ajdxbXzTtVvt7yh2X1qwy8Mi2wOt99bjaZEJKGGGxLt0FXYCzDTMc6DOsOFCcuRNX+RCxjH+eZsTjjRIKQKyqkMHduM4DNEaJcc/vMuD/iUwxVPI2DTovJVmiL4zAY=; X-YMail-OSG: XHBwEjMVM1kIJ1oiEMDWkxQhKgkt.oK.Exe6xt2BHkxCbFq HWDHdbclSIOiUewLehO0pUnSr6sO7c3GbFHt_Elevx_pqDbc_Pn2Faa2rF28 y7cbb1OpEGabc0xISz2reMhk8c_al6O_Lxtb42KNzQBot7QBUt7wU2VRjIVa fwMRIIvehyEfm3Hpc7MhBbzJ7wHkCtuXrfbymwu2Y7dsMqPVdj6AKaf74KJh IMx_03vk6rXE0sexM_aPrL.KoUNd.NX3JQ5v2xcaJJM4b5Fso5bsnPjwWXYh JQHmNi4MBNla9z_ROw_zDNTgbugmzavIEOX_dLEKVDp149NxxR3f5mzx8DqP wnSRtF0XuC4HymyMg6KWCo1PwcwLUKDGh001aqFonHC0U5aiRRNsZyXNi65u g1GXePNaGgp3Durh4aHOarvxs Received: from [208.114.39.18] by web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:50:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 References: Message-ID: <1311292225.91525.YahooMailNeo@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:50:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Troyer Reply-To: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2131100975-1311292225=:91525" --0-2131100975-1311292225=:91525 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave,=0A=A0=A0=A0 Clarification..............=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = =0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine= =0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO= 4E50 Turbo=0A=0AFrom: Kelly Troyer =0ATo: Rotary motors in = aircraft =0ASent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:34= PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measureme= nts=0A=0A=0ADave,=0A=A0=0A=A0=A0=A0 Tracy said in previous post about the s= pacer that front of the drive spline hub can be machined =0Aoff to provide = clearance with front mount plate........... I realize several measurements = would have to =0Abe made to verify hub positioning , input shaft spline eng= agement=A0, etc + starter engagement to=0Autilize a counterweight/flywheel = spacer..............Also I know you are under a time constraint in order=0A= ..........=A0=0A=A0 Have all the parts available and do a bolt up to verify= all dimensions...........Measure at least twice=0Abefore cutting metal !!.= .......................<:)=0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually= )=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Man= ifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0AFrom: David Leonard =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent= : Thursday, July 21, 2011 3:52 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are th= e important flywheel measurements=0A=0A=0AThanks Kelly,=0AI am not sure tha= t I am interested in using a spacer, because my measurements say=A0the flyw= heel will put the damper plate a little too far=A0aft (in the car)=A0as it = is.=A0 No good to fix one problem=A0and create=A0another.=A0 There is not r= eally any room to move the damper plate closer to the gear box.=0A=0AMy fle= x plate has not arrived yet, so no trial fits so far.=0A=0AThanks for takin= g all those measurements.=A0 Looks like if I switched to the turbo starter = I could account for almost half of the material that I would have to machin= e off.=A0 OTOH, you never know if switching the solenoid to the other side = is going to cause some sort of interference problem with something else und= er my cowl... So I will probably just take off the material and call it a d= ay.=0A-- =0ADavid Leonard=0A=0ATurbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY=0Ahttp://N4VY.RotaryR= oster.net=0Ahttp://RotaryRoster.net=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:3= 4 AM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=0A=0ADave,=0A>=A0=0A>=A0=A0 Spen= t about 3 hours Wednesday in my 110F hangar measuring starters , Tracy's RD= 1X mounting=0A>plates , and both manual & auto transmission bell hsg starte= r mount area................Tracy's RD1X mtg=0A>plates from 13B rear hsg to= starter mt surface is 3.550 (same as 86-91 manual bell hsg)..............T= he=0A>86-91 auto trans measures 3.700 (essentially the same)...............= .....Measured my 86 manual starter=0A>(what Tracy calls out for the RD1X re= -drive) , My 88 auto trans starter (I am using auto bell hsg with a=0A>exte= nded RD1C input shaft......Like Bulent did)(Do not ask Tracy to make one...= ..Bulent and I cured=0A>him of one off's) and a 93-95 turbo starter........= .....Results below=0A>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=0A= >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 86-91 manual starter=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 86-91 auto starter=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 93-95 tu= rbo starter=0A>=A0=0A>mount diameter=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A02.635=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= 2.635=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 2.635=0A>=A0=0A>mt flange to bendix gear=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1.720=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1.875=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1.875=0A>=A0=A0= =A0=A0 (unactivated)=0A>=A0=0A>mt flange to bendix gear=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2.220=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2.375=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2.375=0A= >=A0=A0=A0 (solenoid activated)=0A>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =0A>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 Have you done a test mount of the 'ACT" flywheel yet to measure exactly= how much the starter needs to be =0A>repositioned??..................Also = have you given any thought to using a spacer suggested by Tracy between the= =0A>flywheel and counterweight.............I did not find=A0my =A00.500 sp= acer that I offered while searching yesterday but I=0A>will find it (thats = what happens when your day job (caretaker) keeps you 55 miles and 5 years f= rom your project)=0A>and you forget where you put things for safekeeping !!= .......................<:)=0A>=A0=0A>=0A>Kelly Troyer=0A>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (= Eventually)=0A>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>"MISTRAL"_Back= plate/Oil Manifold=0A>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>=0A>=0A>From: Kelly Tro= yer =0A>=0A>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 6:42 PM =0A>=0A>=A0=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0AOne more thing the 86-91 auto trans starter is the same as the=A0 Tur= bo starter.......Only difference =0AI can see is the front Bendix hsg has a= little more material machined of presumably to clear the =0Acurved trans c= onverter..............The mounting bolt spacing is also different and new h= oles would =0Aneed to be drilled in the RD1X front plate...............=0A= =A0=0A=A0=A0 What I meant to say was "The 86-91 Auto trans=A0and Turbo star= ter mount spacing is different than the 86-91 =0Amanual trans starter that = Tracy calls out for=A0the RD1X re-drive and requires new mounting holes dri= lled".........=A0 --0-2131100975-1311292225=:91525 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dave,
    <= SPAN style=3D"RIGHT: auto" id=3Dmisspell-0>Clarification..............
   &n= bsp;    
One more thing th= e 86-91 auto trans starter is the same a= s the  Turbo starter.......Only difference
I can see is the front Bendix hsg<= /SPAN> has a little more material machin= ed of presumably to clear the
curved trans converter..............The mounting bolt spacing is also different and new holes would
need to be drille= d in the RD1X front plate...............
 =
   = What I meant to say was "The 86-91 = Auto trans and Turbo starter mount spacing is different than the 86-91=
manual trans = starter that Tracy calls out for the RD1X = re-drive and requires new mounting holes drilled"......... 
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"<= SPAN id=3Dmisspell-6>RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_T= O4E50 Turbo

From:= Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancair= online.net>
Sent: Thu= rsday, July 21, 2011 4:34 PM
Subjec= t: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok<= /SPAN> Here are the important flywheel measurements

Dave,
 
    Tracy said in previous post about the spacer = that front of the drive spline hub can be machined
off to provide clearance with front mount plate........... I rea= lize several measurements would have to
be made to verify hub positioning , input shaft spline engagemen= t , etc + starter engagement to
utilize a counterwei= ght/flywheel spacer..............Also I know you are under a time constraint in order
.......... 
  Have all the parts available and do a bolt up to verify a= ll dimensions...........Measure at least twice
before cutting metal != !........................<:)
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE<= /SPAN> DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_B= ackplate/Oil Manifold
"= TURBONETICS= "_TO4E50 Turbo

From: David Leonard <wd= leonard@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 3:52 = PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Re: Ok Here are t= he important flywheel measurements

Thanks Kelly,
I am not sure that I am interested in using a spacer, because my measu= rements say the flywheel will put the damper plate a little too far&nb= sp;aft (in the car) as it is.  No good to fix one problem an= d create another.  There is not really any room to move the dampe= r plate closer to the gear box.
 
My flex plate has not arrived yet, so no trial fits so far.
 
Thanks for taking all those measurements.  Looks like if I switch= ed to the turbo starter I could account for almost half of the material tha= t I would have to machine off.  OTOH, you never know if switching the = solenoid to the other side is going to cause some sort of interference prob= lem with something else under my cowl... So I will probably just take off t= he material and call it a day.
--
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.nethttp:/= /RotaryRoster.net


On Thu, Jul 21, = 2011 at 11:34 AM, Kelly Troyer <= keltro@att.net> wrote:
Dave,
 
   Spent a= bout 3 hours Wednesday in my 110F hangar measuring starters , Tracy's RD1X mounting
plates , and both ma= nual & auto transmission bell hsg<= /SPAN> starter mount area................Tracy's RD1X mtg
plates from 13B rear hsg to starter mt surface is 3.550 (same as 86-91 manual bel= l hsg)...........= ...The
86-91 auto trans measures 3.700 (essentially the same)..........= ..........Measured my 86 manual starter
(what Tracy calls ou= t for the RD1X re-drive) , My 88 = auto trans starter (I am using auto bell hsg<= /SPAN> with a
extended RD1C input = shaft......Like Bulent did)(Do not ask Tracy to = make one.....Bulent and I cured
him of one off's) and a 93-95 turbo starter.............Results belo= w
   &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;
   &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ; 86-91 manual starter         = ;            &n= bsp;            = ; 86-91 auto starter         &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;           93-95 turbo = starter
 
mount diameter =             &nb= sp;            =  2.635          &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             2.635&nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp; 2.635
 
mt flange to bendix<= /SPAN> gear         &nb= sp;    1.720        =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =   1.875          &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =     1.875
     (unactivated)
 
mt flange to bendix<= /SPAN> gear         &nb= sp;    2.220        =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =    2.375         &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =      2.375
    (solenoid activated)
      
       Have you done a test mount = of the 'ACT" flywheel yet to measure exactly how much the starter needs to = be
repositioned??......= ............Also have you given any thought to using a spacer sugges= ted by Tracy between the
flywheel and counterweight.............I did not find my &n= bsp;0.500 spacer that I offered while searching yesterday but I
will find it (thats<= /SPAN> what happens when your day job (caretaker) keeps you 55 miles= and 5 years from your project)
and you forget where you put things for safekeeping !!..........= .............<:)
 
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE<= /SPAN> DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"= RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"<= SPAN id=3Dmisspell-34>TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>=20

To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 6:42 PM=20

 




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