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boundary="0-163228046-1311038202=:75340" --0-163228046-1311038202=:75340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave,=0A=A0=A0 While they are at it have them turn the pressure plate surfa= ce down to the pressure plate mounting=0Alevel so all of the rubber osolato= r is on a flat surface without a 0.018 step at the outer edge.......Or=0Ayo= u could put a washer under the drive plate (like the top washer)...........= .But this would put the drive=0Aplate further forward on the input shaft sp= lines the thickness of the washer..........I do not khow if this=0Awould po= se a problem or not...........=0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventu= ally)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil= Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0AFrom: David Leonard =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A= Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 7:55 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are = the important flywheel measurements=0A=0A=0AWell,=A0 NOW you tell me...=A0 = :-)=A0=A0 Yea, that was going to be an issues reguardless of which solution= we chose.=A0 I think I will bring mine to a machine shop and let them figu= re it out=A0 :-)=0A=0A-- =0ADavid Leonard=0A=0ATurbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY=0Ahtt= p://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net=0Ahttp://RotaryRoster.net=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, Jul = 18, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=0A=0ADave,=0A>=A0= =0A>=A0=A0 Forgot to add that there are 3 clutch pressure plate locating do= wels in the flywheel.........You=0A>will have to knock these out with a pun= ch as their position will not let you properly center the =0A>RD1X drive pl= ate and will not let the drive plate "Float" properly..............I have n= ot come up =0A>with a method yet to center the drive plate with the absolut= e accuracy needed=A0for drilling the=0A>flywheel for the drive plate attach= bolts...........Maybe some of the group with more=A0machinists=0A>skills t= han I can make a recommendation=A0!!..................Also the rear of the = attach bolt holes=0A>will need to be spotfaced to provide a flat surface fo= r the bolt head or nut and washer=A0 from=0A>what I have observed on the ba= ckside of my flywheel........................<:)=A0=A0=0A>=0A>Kelly Troyer= =0A>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2= /EM2=0A>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>= =0A>=0A>From: Kelly Troyer =0A>To: Rotary motors in aircraf= t =0A>Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 6:29 PM=0A>S= ubject: [FlyRotary] Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements=0A>=0A>= =0A>Dave,=0A>=A0=A0 The link attached shows the prolite version (9.8 lbs) o= n the left in the photo.............Do you have=A0your starter flange=0A>to= gear measurement=A0handy as my RD1X starter=A0(not the turbo model)=A0is 5= 5 miles away at the moment...........=A0=0A>=A0http://www2.advancedclutch.c= om/products/xact_flywheels.aspx=0A>=0A>Kelly Troyer=0A>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Ev= entually)=0A>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>"MISTRAL"_Backpl= ate/Oil Manifold=0A>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>=0A>=0A>From: David Leona= rd =0A>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 6:18 PM=0A>Subject: [FlyRotary]= Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements=0A>=0A>=0A>OK Kelly,= =0A>=0A>Thanks to all your hard work and research, I have ordered up the Pr= olite 9.8 lb version of this.=A0 Decided that I was done with the flex plat= es.=A0 Thanks for locating a great price.=A0 I am a little nervous that the= picture does not look right, but I guess I can always return it.=0A>Like y= ou, I figure we will solve the starter issue one way or another.=0A>=0A>-- = =0A>David Leonard=0A>=0A>Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY=0A>http://N4VY.RotaryRoster= .net=0A>http://RotaryRoster.net=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 2:21= PM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=0A>=0A>Dave and All,=0A>>=A0=0A>>= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Ok Dave the "ACT" "Streetlite" 13.8 lb flywheel= was just delivered and I am in process of taking=0A>>your measurements to = see where we stand................This flywheel is a thing of beauty (to a = RotorHead)=0A>>and my RD1C drive plate will bolt to it with no problem (thr= ough drill and spotface the rear of the flywheel=0A>>because it has a sligh= t taper in that area).............I just have to verify just where the RD1C= drive splines =0A>>will be positioned (fore and aft) on the input shaft co= mpared to the RX7 flexplate.............The clutch plate=0A>>friction area = is slightly raised (about 0.065) above the clutch mount area and I would pr= obably take it=0A>>down tto the clutch level (probably not necessary but wo= uld reduce weight slightly.............I have a 93-95=0A>>Turbo starter on = the way (should take care of starter mesh problem)..............If you are = interested I can=0A>>guide you to another 93-95 starter (used $49.00 with/s= hipping) if it is still for sale.............=0A>>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 One= other thing at this time..............The lighter 9.8 lb version may be us= able but it is listed as 116=0A>>ring gear teeth and I have not found out w= hat its diameter is and what starter would be used with it......=0A>>=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I suspect it may be the diameter of the NA 13B flywheels an= d may use the 86-91=A0NA manual trans=0A>>starter............You need to ta= lk to the manufacturer..........They are in Lancaster, Calif............The= 9.8 lb=0A>>version is a little more expensive due to more extensive machin= e work to reduce weight.............See the=0A>>link below............The l= ink to THMotorsports has the best price I have found on the 9.8 lb flywheel= ......The=0A>>photo on their page is not the Rotary 9.8 lb version.........= ..=A0=0A>>=A0=0A>>http://www2.advancedclutch.com/products/xact_flywheels.as= px=0A>>=A0=0A>>=A0=0A>>http://thmotorsports.com/act/act_flywheel_prolite/60= 0140/i-47718.aspx=0A>>=0A>>Kelly Troyer=0A>>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)= =0A>>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oi= l Manifold=0A>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>From: Kelly Troyer = =0A>>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>>Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 12:34 PM=0A>>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re:= Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Dave and All= ,=0A>>=A0=0A>>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Sounds encourageing...............Re= placing the starter with turbo model would seem to be=0A>>least expensive a= nd safer than adding additional ring gear + welding..............I also ech= o what=0A>>Bill and Bobby have said concerning the Al Wick fix and getting = Tracy's thoughts about cause=0A>>of problem and perhaps need for periodic i= nspection and/or rubber=A0isolator replacement........=A0=0A>>=0A>>Kelly Tr= oyer=0A>>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>>"RWS"_R= D1C/EC2/EM2=0A>>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 T= urbo=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>From: David Leonard =0A>>To: Rotary= motors in aircraft =0A>>Sent: Thursday, July = 14, 2011 11:41 PM=0A>>Subject: [FlyRotary] Ok Here are the important flywhe= el measurements=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>I finally got to the hangar and measured out = my S5 turbo flywheel and the remains of my S5 flexplate.=A0 The results are= very encouraging, even as good as the possibly could be to make the swap, = but I only had ten min at the hangar before I had to leave to pick up my da= ughter from daycare, so they are one try and slightly sloppy... I make no g= uarantees.=A0 The height measurements of the flex plate were particularly s= uspect because, well, mine is all warped and broken.=0A>>=0A>>Ring Gear Dia= meter - Perfect fit.=A0 As we suspected, same size, same tooth spacing.=0A>= >=0A>>Ring Gear Fore-Aft Placement - As measured from the underside of the = big nut. (for all further reference, aft means aft in the CAR).=A0 The flex= plate puts the aft side of the ring gear 1.290 inches from the front of th= e big nut. The flywheel puts it 0.913.=A0 So the flex plate puts the ring g= ear (appx) 0.377 in. further aft.=A0 This is actually fortuitous because it= just so happens that the ring gear thickness is .365 ...=A0=A0=A0 So all w= e have to do to fix the discrepancy is weld and extra ring gears onto to th= e flywheel ring gear and there will be teeth that the starter can reach:(bo= ttom of the page.. the cost $80)=0A>>http://mazdatrix.com/flywheel.htm=0A>>= It may also be possible to fix the discrepancy by changing the starter... w= ill look into that.=0A>>=0A>>Damper Plate Placement - On the flywheel, the = mounting surface is proud (or aft) of the ring gear.=A0 On the flex plate, = the mounting surface is recessed (or forward) from the ring gear. A=0A>>nd = it all pretty much works out.=A0 That position on the flywheel will vary so= mewhat depending on which flywheel you have and how much wear you have on t= he clutch slip surface. But on my (I assume well-worn) flywheel the placeme= nt was 0.965 while the flex plate was 0.950.=A0 Pretty damn close and given= measurement error it might me meant to be right on.=A0 Or, any difference = could be made up by trimming down the spline on the damper plate or removin= g or adding spacers between the two.=0A>>=0A>>So in my mind, a flywheel is = the way to go.=A0 Stout, easy to get, pick your weight, only mods seem to b= e drilling the mounting holes and welding on a second gear ring.=0A>>=0A>>-= - =0A>>David Leonard=0A>>=0A>>Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY=0A>>http://N4VY.Rotary= Roster.net=0A>>http://RotaryRoster.net=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A>= =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> --0-163228046-1311038202=:75340 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dave,
   While t= hey are at it have them turn the pressure plate surface down to the pressur= e plate mounting
level so all of the = rubber osolator is on a flat surface without a 0.018 step at the outer edge= .......Or
you could put a wash= er under the drive plate (like the top washer)............But this would pu= t the drive
plate further forwar= d on the input shaft splines the thickness of the washer..........I do not = khow if this
would pose a problem or not...........
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil = Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From:= David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 7:55 PM
Su= bject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok Here are the important flywheel measur= ements

Well,  NOW you tell me...  :-)   Yea, that was goi= ng to be an issues reguardless of which solution we chose.  I think I = will bring mine to a machine shop and let them figure it out  :-)
 
--
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.Rotary= Roster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net


On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Kelly= Troyer <keltro@att.net><= /SPAN> wrote:
Dave,
 
   Forgot to add that there are 3 clutch pressure plat= e locating dowels in the flywheel.........You
will have to knock these out with a punch as their position will= not let you properly center the
RD1X drive plate and will not let the drive plate "Float" proper= ly..............I have not come up
with a method yet to center the drive plate with the absolute ac= curacy needed for drilling the
flywheel for the drive plate attach bolts...........Maybe some o= f the group with more machinists
skills than I can make a recommendation !!.....= .............Also the rear of the attach bolt holes
will need to be spotfaced to provide a = flat surface for the bolt head or nut and washer  from
what I have observed on the backside of my flywheel.= .......................<:)  
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELT= A JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To:= Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 6:29 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements

Dave,
   The link attached shows the prolite version (9.8 lbs) on the left in the photo.............Do you ha= ve your starter flange
to gear measurement handy as my RD1X starter (not the = turbo model) is 55 miles away at the moment........... = ;
 
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELT= A JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From: David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 6:18 PMSubject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements
OK Kelly,
 
Thanks to all your hard work and research, I have ordered up the Prolite 9.8 lb version of this.  Decided that I w= as done with the flex plates.  Thanks for locating a great price. = ; I am a little nervous that the picture does not look right, but I guess I= can always return it.
Like you, I figure we will solve the starter issue one way or another.=
 
--
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY<= /SPAN>
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net

<= BR>
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrote:
Dave and All,
 
          Ok Dave the "ACT" "Streetlite" 1= 3.8 lb flywheel was just delivered and I am in process of taking
your measurements to see where we stand................This flyw= heel is a thing of beauty (to a RotorHead)=
and my RD1C drive plate will bolt to it with no problem (through= drill and spotface the rear of the flywheel
because it has a slight taper in that area).............I just h= ave to verify just where the RD1C drive splines
will be positioned (fore and aft) on the input shaft compared to= the RX7 flexplate.............The clutch plate
friction area is slightly raised (about 0.065) above the clutch = mount area and I would probably take it
down tto the clutch level (probably no= t necessary but would reduce weight slightly.............I have a 93-95
Turbo starter on the way (should take care of starter mesh probl= em)..............If you are interested I can
guide you to another 93-95 starter (used $49.00 with/shipping) i= f it is still for sale.............
        One other thing at th= is time..............The lighter 9.8 lb version may be usable but it is lis= ted as 116
ring gear teeth and I have not found out what its diameter is an= d what starter would be used with it......
        I suspect it may be t= he diameter of the NA 13B flywheels and may use the 86-91 NA manual tr= ans
starter............You need to talk to the manufacturer.........= .They are in Lancaster, Calif............The 9.8 lb
version is a little more expensive due to more extensive machine= work to reduce weight.............See the
link below............The link to THMotorsports has the best price I have found on the 9.8 lb flywheel......= The
photo on their page is not the Rotary 9.8 lb version...........&= nbsp;
 
 
 
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELT= A JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To:= Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 12:34 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ok<= /SPAN> Here are the important flywheel measurements

Dave and All,
 
         Sounds encourageing...............Replacing the starter with tur= bo model would seem to be
least expensive and safer than adding additional ring gear + wel= ding..............I also echo what
Bill and Bobby have said concerning the Al Wick fix and getting = Tracy's thoughts about cause
of problem and perhaps need for periodic inspection and/or rubbe= r isolator replacement........ 
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELT= A JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From: David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:41 P= M
Subject: [FlyRotary] <= SPAN>Ok Here are the important flywheel measurements
I finally got to the hangar and measured out my S5 turbo flywheel and = the remains of my S5 flexplate.  The results= are very encouraging, even as good as the possibly could be to make the sw= ap, but I only had ten min at the hangar before I had to leave to pick up m= y daughter from daycare, so they are one try and slightly sloppy... I make = no guarantees.  The height measurements of the flex plate were particu= larly suspect because, well, mine is all warped and broken.

Ring = Gear Diameter - Perfect fit.  As we suspected, same size, same too= th spacing.

Ring Gear Fore-Aft Placement - As measured from t= he underside of the big nut. (for all further reference, aft means aft in t= he CAR).  The flex plate puts the aft side of the ring gear 1.290 inch= es from the front of the big nut. The flywheel puts it 0.913.  So the = flex plate puts the ring gear (appx) 0.377 in. further aft.  This is actually fortuitous because it just so happ= ens that the ring gear thickness is .365 ...    So all we ha= ve to do to fix the discrepancy is weld and extra ring gears onto to the fl= ywheel ring gear and there will be teeth that the starter can reach:(bottom= of the page.. the cost $80)
http://mazdatrix.com/flywheel.htm
= It may also be possible to fix the discrepancy by changing the starter... w= ill look into that.

Damper Plate Placement - On the flywheel,= the mounting surface is proud (or aft) of the ring gear.  On the flex= plate, the mounting surface is recessed (or forward) from the ring gear. A=
nd it all pretty much works out.  That position on the flywheel w= ill vary somewhat depending on which flywheel you have and how much wear yo= u have on the clutch slip surface. But on my (I assume well-worn) flywheel = the placement was 0.965 while the flex plate was 0.950.  Pretty damn c= lose and given measurement error it might me meant to be right on.  Or= , any difference could be made up by trimming down the spline on the damper= plate or removing or adding spacers between the two.

So in my mind,= a flywheel is the way to go.  Stout, easy to get, pick your weight, o= nly mods seem to be drilling the mounting holes and welding on a second gea= r ring.

--
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4= VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net


<= /DIV>













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