X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm19-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.172] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with SMTP id 5053965 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:47:10 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.172; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm19.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2011 19:46:33 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.88] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2011 19:46:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2011 19:46:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 682109.71674.bm@omp1025.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 4597 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jul 2011 19:46:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1310845593; bh=RYHFAZPYtTE1XSnQe5HKibmOZSOFWHah9UTxKmuVXHQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lo7hw9BwVu+mNDJE7+rb3FjTB333QWWD2s+BZl9L6B+kLUB4n9kYvWh1vdCLYxQ22CYtxel99wZmp0KzX23VJCblofbW59LZqtgeueC23ki0OWNZOvqoBE2HS3rxzJG8dRuQue8siNV3YBkjBoscpchR3yBgDS2yuCw1hVEr+Mo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OTjIO1+1mMcKB8MxnI6u0WuNjUOjZEkD4k2Y7Ykrmjl4/GxXmBd7n1YXjfyDnEEGpUBGzuC8lWdh7P64KX/CBCEq/OeMp0igtFJxmal/8Pd9CqdJSBvWlRaO7Tik3l8IIOEoyZYEREwAp78FvIzzdpCBZFKn+Dei7x6iZyfYJxw=; X-YMail-OSG: RgJnDWEVM1kfDJo5s_ZmGOHtNB5vHnPxPgLZ5ENkBLgTEXl A8amMN_oBA0yO_Y9lJNKoXom2lfEU.pe9rhDxla5oiE6aI8TK8vqrqlAXorq zcJEuDJNZhQpN.3RZAL.eKjHcYXEcKTvcP0frrV3pFZUl56uN_inJ238I8Qj JfgNDJSd0Ku5JqvBZGhawZYgcD3Jr8I8YDvMZewEs.h_VIL27Ly7ohDSMxUR nqssCgr__OLAbhyhkt40ZbvL_HDsJrjNyaPRldq3IAaQyLbyrWkzWggTzyRi WCBxA5plboKMRJubq.mPpa0ckkcB_csS36dWs2lzUReq3ETRzLfjEtqHttfw mpAn1cSyH8hiW7qC6Mi2HFoFwYRF0xpAhBYKP1DTtHozQ2B5lTAuKIdrvF2x wmVVtV3gMbgNwXKczlKYVK__NE2YazABhGICYYBMvFy5SiVRIzsXsYU2fsHI bJ0Ni1N1KerhIDg-- Received: from [208.114.39.18] by web83904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 12:46:33 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 References: Message-ID: <1310845593.84412.YahooMailNeo@web83904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 12:46:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Troyer Reply-To: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: Modified 20B/RX-8 flexplate To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1597892442-1310845593=:84412" --0-1597892442-1310845593=:84412 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark,=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Using the two flexplates I would sure t= ry to put the RD1X drive plate bolts through both if at =0Aall possible....= .......Would be much stronger and less likely to fail from fatique IMHO....= ..........=0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"= _ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONE= TICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0AFrom: Mark Steitle =0ATo: Rotar= y motors in aircraft =0ASent: Saturday, July 1= 6, 2011 2:38 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Modified 20B/RX-8 flexplate=0A= =0A=0AKelly,=C2=A0 =0A=0A...Or easier yet, we could use tapered washers, av= ailable from McMaster-Carr (http://www.mcmaster.com/#tapered-washers/=3Dd7d= jrv). =C2=A0 =0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0AOn Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Mark Steit= le wrote:=0A=0AKelly,=C2=A0 =0A>=0A>=0A>Following up o= n your previous question... With a little heat in the right spots, I could = flatten spots on the 20B flexplate for the four RD1X adapter bolts, allowin= g the heads to sit flat on the 20B flexplate. =C2=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>Mark=0A>=0A= >=0A>On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote:= =0A>=0A>Mark,=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>=C2=A0 OK I=C2=A0 have got it in my mind now..= ............I have an update...........The "ACT" flywheel was just delivere= d and =0A>>as soon as I get my mother fed I will see how the RD1X drive pla= te will fit the flywheel as I just happen to have =0A>>it here with me.....= ..........Keeping my fingers crossed that all my "AS"umptions work out !!..= ...................<:)=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Kelly Troyer=0A>>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eve= ntually)=0A>>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>>"MISTRAL"_Back= plate/Oil Manifold=0A>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>From: Mark = Steitle =0A>>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 1:58 PM =0A>>=0A>>Subje= ct: [FlyRotary] Re: Modified 20B/RX-8 flexplate=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Kelly,= =C2=A0 =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>No, unfortunately the backside of the 20B flexplate i= s not flat in that area. =C2=A0You would need tapered washers to make that = work. =C2=A0 =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Mark=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:50= PM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=0A>>=0A>>Mark,=0A>>>=C2=A0=0A>>>= =C2=A0=C2=A0 In my mind the four RD!X drive plate bolts would go through bo= th flex-plates with a spacer between=0A>>>them...............Is this not th= e scenario ??................=0A>>>=0A>>>Kelly Troyer=0A>>>"DYKE DELTA JD2"= (Eventually)=0A>>>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>>>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>>>"MISTR= AL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>= >From: Mark Steitle =0A>>>To: Rotary motors in aircraft= =0A>>>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 1:42 PM= =0A>>>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Modified 20B/RX-8 flexplate=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>= >Bill,=C2=A0 =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Not sure which bolts you're referring, there= are eight (8) around the outside perimeter, and another six (6) that bolt = the assy. to the e-shaft. =C2=A0If you're referring to the four bolts that = attach the 13B plate to the 20B/RX-8 plate, then yes, definitely torqued. = =C2=A0They would need spacers so they would bolt solid and there wouldn't b= e any springiness. =C2=A0=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>The trick will be with the four = (4) bolts that attach the flexplate assy to the aluminum adapter. =C2=A0Tho= se bolts will have to be inserted through the 13b plate from the rear, then= the two plates bolted together with the other four bolts, then the assy bo= lted to the e-shaft, and finally, the alum adapter bolted to the flexplate = assy. =C2=A0I am picturing a special wrench that has been heated and bent t= o fit in through the lightening holes on the 20b flexplate. =C2=A0Its tight= , but workable. =C2=A0=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Mark S.=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>= >>On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Bill Bradburry wrote:=0A>>>=0A>>>Mark,=0A>>>>Don=E2=80=99t you think the bolts need to b= e torqued?=C2=A0 If you tighten them down against two plates, there will be= some springiness no matter how stiff the plates are.=0A>>>>=C2=A0=0A>>>>Bi= ll B=0A>>>>=C2=A0=0A>>>>From:Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@la= ncaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark Steitle=0A>>>>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2= 011 1:58 PM=0A>>>>=0A>>>>To: Rotary motors in aircraft=0A>>>>=0A>>>>Subject= : [FlyRotary] Re: Modified 20B/RX-8 flexplate=0A>>>>=C2=A0=0A>>>>Kelly,=C2= =A0=0A>>>>=C2=A0=0A>>>>Yes, spacers will be required, approximately .250" t= hick, unless I decide to connect the two plates via welding, then it won't = matter if they touch or not. =C2=A0Originally, I thought they would nest to= gether without the need for spacers. =C2=A0I like the idea of bolting them = so it can be disassembled if necessary.=0A>>>>=C2=A0=0A>>>>Mark=0A>>>>On Sa= t, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=0A>>>>Mar= k,=0A>>>>=C2=A0=0A>>>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Do the bolt points of both flexplat= es nest together without any space between both =0A>>>>flexplates or will s= pacers be needed when bolting together ??............Could not tell=0A>>>>f= rom the photo.................=C2=A0=0A>>>>=C2=A0=0A>>>>Kelly Troyer=0A>>>>= "DYKE DELTA JD2"(Eventually)=0A>>>>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>>>>"RWS"_RD1C/EC= 2/EM2=0A>>>>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>>>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Tur= bo=0A>>>>=C2=A0=0A>>>>From:Mark Steitle =0A>>>>To: Rota= ry motors in aircraft =0A>>>>Sent: Saturday, J= uly 16, 2011 11:46 AM=0A>>>>Subject: [FlyRotary] Modified 20B/RX-8 flexplat= e=0A>>>>=C2=A0=0A>>>>All, =0A>>>>=C2=A0=0A>>>>Attached is a picture of my p= roposed solution to the cracking flexplates. =C2=A0I used my old 13B flexpl= ate, removed the ring gear, and nested it inside the 20B/RX-8 flexplate. = =C2=A0It could be held together by bolting or by welding around the outer p= erimeter, similar to how the ring gear is attached, although welding may ca= use warping. =C2=A0If bolted, there would be ten bolts holding the two flex= plates together. =C2=A0I favor the bolting method as the four bolts holding= the aluminum adapter will be a bit tricky to install and bolting would mak= e it a bit easier to assemble. =C2=A0=0A>>>>=C2=A0=0A>>>>Mark=C2=A0=0A>>>>-= --------- Forwarded message ----------=0A>>>>From: Mark =0A>>>>Date: Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 11:47 AM=0A>>>>Subject: =0A>>>>To: mstei= tle@gmail.com=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>= >Sent from my iPhone=0A>>>>=C2=A0=0A>>>>=C2=A0=0A>>>>--=0A>>>>Homepage:=C2= =A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/=0A>>>>Archive and UnSub:=C2=A0 http://mail.la= ncaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=C2=A0=0A>= >>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A> --0-1597892442-1310845593=:84412 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark,
 
    U= sing the two flexplates I would sure try to pu= t the RD1X drive plate bolts through both if at
all possible........= ...Would be much stronger and less likely to fail from fatique I= MHO..............
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM= 2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From:= Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.co= m>
To: Rotary motors = in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 2:38 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Modified 20B= /RX-8 flexplate

Kelly, =20

...Or easier yet, we could use tapered washers, = available from McMaster-Carr (http://www.mcmaster.com/#tapered-washers/=3Dd7djrv).  =20

Mark

On Sat, Jul 16, = 2011 at 2:32 PM, Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Kelly, =20

Following up on your previous question... With a little heat in the ri= ght spots, I could flatten spots on the 20B flexplat= e for the four RD1X adapter bolts, allowing the heads to sit flat on= the 20B flexplate.  

Mark

On Sat, Jul 16, = 2011 at 2:23 PM, Kelly Troyer <k= eltro@att.net> wrote:
Mark,
 
  OK I  have got it in my mind now..............I have= an update...........The "ACT" flywheel was just delivered and
as soon as I get my mother fed I will see how the RD1X drive pla= te will fit the flywheel as I just happen to have
it here with me...............Keeping my fingers cr= ossed that all my "AS"umptions work out !!...= ..................<:)
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE = DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/E= M2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft &l= t;flyrotary@lancaironline= .net>
Sent:= Saturday, July 16, 2011 1:58 PM=20

Subject: [FlyRotar= y] Re: Modified 20B/RX-8 flexplate
<= /DIV>

Kelly, =20

No, unfortunately the backside of the 20B flexplate is not flat in that area.  You would= need tapered washers to make that work.  =20

Mark

On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> w= rote:
Mark,
 
   In my mind the four RD!X drive plate bo= lts would go through both flex-plates with a spacer between
them...............Is this not the scenario ??................
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate<= /SPAN>/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo<= /DIV>

From: Mark Steit= le <msteitle@gmail.com= >
To: Rotary motors i= n aircraft <flyrotary@= lancaironline.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 1:42 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Modified 20B/RX-8 flexplate

Bill, =20

Not sure which bolts you're referring, there are eight (8) around the = outside perimeter, and another six (6) that bolt the assy. to the e-shaft.  If you're referring to the= four bolts that attach the 13B plate to the 20B/RX-8 plate, then yes, defi= nitely torqued.  They would need spacers so they would bolt solid and = there wouldn't be any springiness.  

The trick will be with the four (4) bolts that attach the flexplate assy<= /SPAN> to the aluminum adapter.  Those bolts will have to be in= serted through the 13b plate from the rear, then the two plates bolted toge= ther with the other four bolts, then the assy<= /SPAN> bolted to the e-shaft, and finally, the alum adapter bolted t= o the flexplate assy.  I am picturing a special wrench th= at has been heated and bent to fit in through the lightening holes on the 2= 0b flexplate.  Its tight, b= ut workable.  

Mark S.


On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> wro= te:
Mark,
Don=E2=80=99t you think the bolts need = to be torqued?  If you tighten them down against two plates, there wil= l be some springiness no matter how stiff the plates are.
 
Bill B
 
From: Rot= ary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancairo= nline.net] On Behalf Of Mark Steitle
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 1:58 PM

= To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subj= ect: [FlyRotary] Re: Modified 20B/RX-8 flexplate
= Mark
keltro@att.net> wrote:
= Mark,<= /U>
=  =
=  &nb= sp; Do the bolt points of both flexplates= nest together without any space between both <= /SPAN>
= flexplates or will spacers be needed when= bolting together ??............Could not tell<= /DIV>
= from the = photo................. 
=  =
= Kelly Tro= yer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)<= /U>
= "13B ROTA= RY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM= 2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Man= ifold
= "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo<= /SPAN>
= &n= bsp;
From: Mark = Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>=
Sent: Saturday, July 16= , 2011 11:46 AM
Subject:= [FlyRotary] Modified 20B/RX-8 flexplate
 <= /U>
All,
 <= /U>
Attached is a pic= ture of my proposed solution to the cracking f= lexplates.  I used my old 13B flexplate, removed the ring gear, and nested it inside the= 20B/RX-8 flexplate.  It co= uld be held together by bolting or by welding around the outer perimeter, s= imilar to how the ring gear is attached, although welding may cause warping= .  If bolted, there would be ten bolts holding the two flexplates together.  I favor the bolting= method as the four bolts holding the aluminum adapter will be a bit tricky= to install and bolting would make it a bit easier to assemble.  
 <= /U>
Mark 
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