X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm11-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.124] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with SMTP id 5053945 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:24:17 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.124; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2011 19:23:41 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.70] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2011 19:23:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2011 19:23:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 774185.79146.bm@omp1007.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 36322 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jul 2011 19:23:41 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1310844221; 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mother fed I will see how the RD1X drive plate will fit th= e flywheel as I just happen to have =0Ait here with me...............Keepin= g my fingers crossed that all my "AS"umptions work out !!..................= ...<:)=0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ En= gine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS= "_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0AFrom: Mark Steitle =0ATo: Rotary mo= tors in aircraft =0ASent: Saturday, July 16, 2= 011 1:58 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Modified 20B/RX-8 flexplate=0A=0A=0A= Kelly,=C2=A0 =0A=0ANo, unfortunately the backside of the 20B flexplate is n= ot flat in that area. =C2=A0You would need tapered washers to make that wor= k. =C2=A0 =0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0AOn Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Kelly Troyer = wrote:=0A=0AMark,=0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=C2=A0 In my mind the= four RD!X drive plate bolts would go through both flex-plates with a space= r between=0A>them...............Is this not the scenario ??................= =0A>=0A>Kelly Troyer=0A>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>"13B ROTARY"_ Engi= ne=0A>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>"TURBONETIC= S"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>=0A>=0A>From: Mark Steitle =0A>To: R= otary motors in aircraft =0A>Sent: Saturday, J= uly 16, 2011 1:42 PM=0A>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Modified 20B/RX-8 flexplat= e=0A>=0A>=0A>Bill,=C2=A0 =0A>=0A>=0A>Not sure which bolts you're referring,= there are eight (8) around the outside perimeter, and another six (6) that= bolt the assy. to the e-shaft. =C2=A0If you're referring to the four bolts= that attach the 13B plate to the 20B/RX-8 plate, then yes, definitely torq= ued. =C2=A0They would need spacers so they would bolt solid and there would= n't be any springiness. =C2=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>The trick will be with the four (= 4) bolts that attach the flexplate assy to the aluminum adapter. =C2=A0Thos= e bolts will have to be inserted through the 13b plate from the rear, then = the two plates bolted together with the other four bolts, then the assy bol= ted to the e-shaft, and finally, the alum adapter bolted to the flexplate a= ssy. =C2=A0I am picturing a special wrench that has been heated and bent to= fit in through the lightening holes on the 20b flexplate. =C2=A0Its tight,= but workable. =C2=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>Mark S.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Sat, Jul 16,= 2011 at 1:08 PM, Bill Bradburry wrote:=0A>=0A>M= ark,=0A>>Don=E2=80=99t you think the bolts need to be torqued?=C2=A0 If you= tighten them down against two plates, there will be some springiness no ma= tter how stiff the plates are.=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>Bill B=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>From:Ro= tary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of M= ark Steitle=0A>>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 1:58 PM=0A>>=0A>>To: Rotary m= otors in aircraft=0A>>=0A>>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Modified 20B/RX-8 flexp= late=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>Kelly,=C2=A0=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>Yes, spacers will be requir= ed, approximately .250" thick, unless I decide to connect the two plates vi= a welding, then it won't matter if they touch or not. =C2=A0Originally, I t= hought they would nest together without the need for spacers. =C2=A0I like = the idea of bolting them so it can be disassembled if necessary.=0A>>=C2=A0= =0A>>Mark=0A>>On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=0A>>Mark,=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Do the bolt points of = both flexplates nest together without any space between both =0A>>flexplate= s or will spacers be needed when bolting together ??............Could not t= ell=0A>>from the photo.................=C2=A0=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>Kelly Troyer= =0A>>"DYKE DELTA JD2"(Eventually)=0A>>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>>"RWS"_RD1C/E= C2/EM2=0A>>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo= =0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>From:Mark Steitle =0A>>To: Rotary motor= s in aircraft =0A>>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 20= 11 11:46 AM=0A>>Subject: [FlyRotary] Modified 20B/RX-8 flexplate=0A>>=C2=A0= =0A>>All, =0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>Attached is a picture of my proposed solution to = the cracking flexplates. =C2=A0I used my old 13B flexplate, removed the rin= g gear, and nested it inside the 20B/RX-8 flexplate. =C2=A0It could be held= together by bolting or by welding around the outer perimeter, similar to h= ow the ring gear is attached, although welding may cause warping. =C2=A0If = bolted, there would be ten bolts holding the two flexplates together. =C2= =A0I favor the bolting method as the four bolts holding the aluminum adapte= r will be a bit tricky to install and bolting would make it a bit easier to= assemble. =C2=A0=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>Mark=C2=A0=0A>>---------- Forwarded messag= e ----------=0A>>From: Mark =0A>>Date: Sat, Jul 16, 201= 1 at 11:47 AM=0A>>Subject: =0A>>To: msteitle@gmail.com=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>= =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Sent from my iPhone=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>--= =0A>>Homepage:=C2=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/=0A>>Archive and UnSub:=C2=A0= http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>= =C2=A0=0A>=0A>=0A> 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Mark,
 
  OK I  ha= ve got it in my mind now..............I have an update...........The "ACT" = flywheel was just delivered and
as soon as I get my = mother fed I will see how the RD1X drive plate will fit the flywheel as I j= ust happen to have
it here with me.....= ..........Keeping my fingers crossed tha= t all my "AS"umptions work out !!.....................<:)
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil = Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From:= Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lan= caironline.net>
Sent:= Saturday, July 16, 2011 1:58 PM
Su= bject: [FlyRotary] Re: Modified 20B/RX-8 flexplate
Kelly, 

No, unfortunately the backside of the 20B flexplate is not flat in tha= t area.  You would need tapered washers to make that work.  

Mark

On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Kell= y Troyer <keltro@att.net>= wrote:
Mark,
 
   In my mind the four RD!X drive plate bo= lts would go through both flex-plates with a spacer between
them...............Is this not the scenario ??................
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2"= (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_<= SPAN>Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2= 011 1:42 PM
Subject: [Fl= yRotary] Re: Modified 20B/RX-8 flexplate

Bill, =20

Not sure which bolts you're referring, there are eight (8) around the = outside perimeter, and another six (6) that bolt the assy. to = the e-shaft.  If you're referring to the four bolts that attach the 13= B plate to the 20B/RX-8 plate, then yes, definitely torqued.  They wou= ld need spacers so they would bolt solid and there wouldn't be any springin= ess.  

The trick will be with the four (4) bolts that attach the flexpl= ate assy to the aluminum adapter.  Those bolts wil= l have to be inserted through the 13b plate from the rear, then the two pla= tes bolted together with the other four bolts, then the assy b= olted to the e-shaft, and finally, the alum adapter bolted to the fle= xplate assy.  I am picturing a special wrench that= has been heated and bent to fit in through the lightening holes on the 20b= flexplate.  Its tight, but workable.  

Mark S.


On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth= .net> wrote:
Mark,
Don=E2=80=99t you think the bolts need = to be torqued?  If you tighten them down against two plates, there wil= l be some springiness no matter how stiff the plates are.
 
Bill B
 
From: Rot= ary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark SteitleSent: Saturday, July 16, 2= 011 1:58 PM

= To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subj= ect: [FlyRotary] Re: Modified 20B/RX-8 flexplate
= Mark
keltro@att.net> wrote:
= Mark,<= /U>
=  =
=  &nb= sp; Do the bolt points of both flexplates nest together w= ithout any space between both
= fle= xplates or will spacers be needed when bolting together ??..........= ..Could not tell
= from the = photo................. 
=  =
= Kelly Tro= yer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
=
= "13B ROTA= RY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate= /Oil Manifold
= "TU= RBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
= &n= bsp;
From: Mark = Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com= >
To: Rota= ry motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 11:46 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Modified 20B/RX-8 <= SPAN>flexplate
 <= /U>
All,
 <= /U>
Attached is a pic= ture of my proposed solution to the cracking flexplates.  = ;I used my old 13B flexplate, removed the ring gear, and neste= d it inside the 20B/RX-8 flexplate.  It could be held tog= ether by bolting or by welding around the outer perimeter, similar to how t= he ring gear is attached, although welding may cause warping.  If bolt= ed, there would be ten bolts holding the two flexplates togeth= er.  I favor the bolting method as the four bolts holding the aluminum= adapter will be a bit tricky to install and bolting would make it a bit ea= sier to assemble.  
 <= /U>
Mark 
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