Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #55201
From: Charles Davis <charlesd1@telkomsa.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: New impeller design
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 16:34:10 +0200
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Hi Ernest,

Yea, I have taken a few lawnmowers apart in my time - I am not claiming any original thought on that one ;-) ... I seem to recall that lawnmowers run at around 3Krpm, I wouldn't like to be too close to one of those fly-wheels at 9Krpm !

Ideally, such an arrangement would be 'advance-less', ie set at a fixed advance, and be purely a battery-less backup - add steppers, micro-controllers and all the mechanical bits rather defeats the object of the exercise ... :-)

Another thought - if the 'ignition' magnet was cast in, say, the top (or left) half of the impeller, then one could cast many magnets in the 'bottom' (or right) half, then have a series of coils wound around formers which would be your alternator - being excited by the full-circle of magnets

I switched to electric lawnmowers long ago - no chance of forgetting to buy fuel ... age does this to us ;-)



-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ernest Christley
Sent: 25 May 2011 04:11 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: New impeller design

Charles Davis wrote:

If an impeller were to be cast for this air-induction/super-charging application, and was tied-in to the e-shaft (key-way or similar) would it work to have a suitable magnet cast-in to the periphery of the impeller, so that two coils could be mounted, 180 degrees apart, to provide magneto-type spark to one set of plugs  one coil per rotor at 180* for a 2-rotor, and 120* for a 3-rotor  this sounds, to me, so simple that I am surprised nobody has done it before  how good would it be to have a completely battery-independent ignition system for amateur-built aircraft ?  maybe I should shaddup, & return to lurking

The system you describe has been working perfectly a lot longer than I've been alive.  All I can say is, don't let your wife catch you pulling the flywheel off your lawn mower to power your airplane 8*)  There is a magnet cast into the flywheel, and the coil is built around a C shaped stack of stamped steel.  That flywheel could possibly handle the RPM of the eshaft (but I wouldn't dare bet anything important on it).

I think the only issue you'd have is modifying the advance.  You could accept the "good 'nuff" compromise of a static 20* to 25* in exchange for the bone dry simplicity.  Possibly driving just the trailing plugs as a dead generator backup.  That, combined with a gravity feed system would make your engine electrically independent.  Or you could try to design some sort of advance control.  Maybe use a MegaSquirt and write some code to control a stepper motor that moves the pickup?

I'm currently trying to use the space between the engine and the gearbox mount plate to install a blower and a generator.  I think that is enough multipurposing of a single piece of aluminum for now.  However, at some point in the future I may need a new lawn mower.  8*)





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