X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from neutron.sasknet.sk.ca ([142.165.20.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with ESMTPS id 4956258 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 25 Apr 2011 00:09:34 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=142.165.20.180; envelope-from=hjjohnson@sasktel.net Received: from pps.filterd (neutron [127.0.0.1]) by neutron.sasknet.sk.ca (8.14.3/8.14.3) with SMTP id p3P43IGM004702 for ; Sun, 24 Apr 2011 22:08:57 -0600 Received: from bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca (bgmpOMR1.sasknet.sk.ca [142.165.72.22]) by neutron.sasknet.sk.ca with ESMTP id vvwk5v308-1 for ; Sun, 24 Apr 2011 22:08:57 -0600 Received: from sasktel.net ([192.168.234.97]) by bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca (SaskTel eMessaging Service) with ESMTP id <0LK6001P4WUXXX20@bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca> for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 24 Apr 2011 22:08:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from [192.168.234.25] (Forwarded-For: [216.197.211.104]) by cgmail1.sasknet.sk.ca (mshttpd); Sun, 24 Apr 2011 22:08:57 -0600 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 22:08:57 -0600 From: H & J Johnson Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral 'Like' Intake To: Rotary motors in aircraft Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.1 HotFix 0.20 (built Feb 27 2006) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_WCZpUsfnj8SUJ1NXZtU2TA)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-04-25_02:2011-04-23,2011-04-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=9 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-1012030000 definitions=main-1104240103 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_WCZpUsfnj8SUJ1NXZtU2TA) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline

Thanks Kelly! Starting to make more sense! Btw, I think I'm going to locate a qualified scanning service in your area. This will save the shipping cost all the way up here and back [the total cost should be a 'wash'] and will get your parts back to you faster than if they got sent all the way up here for a few days and then sent all the way back [plus avoiding customs and all those hassles too]. I'll cover all the cost and will have CAD models from the data fairly quickly after that.

I just gotta find the right 'shop' to send them to :)

Thanks again!

Jarrett Johnson
www.innovention-tech.com

--Boundary_(ID_WCZpUsfnj8SUJ1NXZtU2TA) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qO8JqnzfU6lyp7zI2xM29A)" --Boundary_(ID_qO8JqnzfU6lyp7zI2xM29A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0AJarrett,=0A=0A=A0=A0=A0 Photo of "Renesis" front housing with some no= tation............A picture is =0Aworth a thousand words !!.............=0A= =0A=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engin= e=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_T= O4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Kelly Tr= oyer =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Sat, April 23, 2011 12:31:30 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Fly= Rotary] Re: Mistral 'Like' Intake=0A=0A=0AJarrett,=0A=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Had= some relief from my day job=A0Thursday afternoon and was able to spend a = =0Aprecious few =0A=0Ahours at my hangar..............Bolted my spare Lycom= ing "Dyna-focal" mount ring =0Ato=A0the "Mistral"=0A"Backplate" and proceed= ed to do some serious manual measurements to see if the =0A"Renesis"=0Awate= r-pump housing/pump cartridge can be integrated onto the "Mistral" =0A"Back= plate"............=0A=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0 I have identified=A04 problems at this= time.......... None that cannot be =0Aeasily fixed............=0A=0A(1) Fi= rst as I thought the left most=A0 water-pump housing /stud (looking forward= =0Afrom cockpit) has=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 a slight interference with the top = left mount retainer cup........This =0Aretainer can be relieved slightly = =0A=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 and a small re-enforcing patch welded without any los= s of structural =0Aintegrity.............=0A=0A(2) The "Lycoming" mount rin= g I have (obtained from "Aircraft Spruce"=A0prewelded) =0Awill have to=0A= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 have the top tubing cross-member removed and replaced as it= needs a=A0higher =0A"Bow" in the=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 tube and placed at=A0a = different angle to clear the pump housing =0Aand=A0revised=A0inlet/outlet f= or=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 coolant........It might be better to buy the mount rin= g as an unwelded kit =0Afrom A/C Spruce....=0A=0A(3) The coolant inlet and = outlet of the stock=A0"Renesis" pump housing has to be =0Arepositioned=0A= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 when it is "Married" to the "Mistral" back-plate because it= =A0is aimed =0Adirectly at the top left =0A=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 mount=A0retai= ner..........Will leave that "Magic" to you =0AJarrett...............<:)=A0= =0A=0A(4) There will need to be 1 extra stud hole drilled=A0from the marrie= d "Renesis" =0Apump=A0housing =0A=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 through the re-engineer= ed "Mistral" hsg that mates up with=A0a threaded boss =0Ain the 93-99 =0A= =0A=A0=A0=A0=A0 13BREW , Cosmo 13B & 20B and Renesis front side hsg........= ........This =0Aboss does not =0A=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0 exist on the 86-91 13B whi= ch the "Mistral" back-plate was designed =0Afor...........=0A=0A=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0These are the major=A0things I have identified so far and I am sur= e there =0Awill be others...... I still=0Ado not know what exactly to do ab= out the removable front cover of the "Mistral" =0Ahsg........Whether=0Ato t= ry and retain a smaller cover by eliminating the auxiliary=A0drive portion = of =0Athe cover or just to do =0A=0Aa=A0simplified =A0copy (easier to cast = compared to the pressure cast "Renesis" =0Ahsg)=A0of the center=0Apart of t= he=A0"Renesis" hsg to try and retain the EFI/IGN sensor mount..........=A0= =0A=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Enough for now...........This will give you some info= to mull =0Aover.................I will try to get a few =0A=0Aphotos to il= lustrate some of what is above.............=0A.=0ABest Regards,=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engin= e=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Back-plate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_= TO4E50 Turbo= --Boundary_(ID_qO8JqnzfU6lyp7zI2xM29A) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
 
Jarrett,
 
    Photo of "Renesis" front housing with some notation............A picture is worth a thousand words !!.............

 

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo



From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 12:31:30 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] FlyRotary] Re: Mistral 'Like' Intake

Jarrett,
 
      Had some relief from my day job Thursday afternoon and was able to spend a precious few
hours at my hangar..............Bolted my spare Lycoming "Dyna-focal" mount ring to the "Mistral"
"Backplate" and proceeded to do some serious manual measurements to see if the "Renesis"
water-pump housing/pump cartridge can be integrated onto the "Mistral" "Backplate"............
 
     I have identified 4 problems at this time.......... None that cannot be easily fixed............
 
(1) First as I thought the left most  water-pump housing /stud (looking forward from cockpit) has
      a slight interference with the top left mount retainer cup........This retainer can be relieved slightly
      and a small re-enforcing patch welded without any loss of structural integrity.............
 
(2) The "Lycoming" mount ring I have (obtained from "Aircraft Spruce" prewelded) will have to
      have the top tubing cross-member removed and replaced as it needs a higher "Bow" in the
      tube and placed at a different angle to clear the pump housing and revised inlet/outlet for
      coolant........It might be better to buy the mount ring as an unwelded kit from A/C Spruce....
 
(3) The coolant inlet and outlet of the stock "Renesis" pump housing has to be repositioned
      when it is "Married" to the "Mistral" back-plate because it is aimed directly at the top left
      mount retainer..........Will leave that "Magic" to you Jarrett...............<:) 
 
(4) There will need to be 1 extra stud hole drilled from the married "Renesis" pump housing
      through the re-engineered "Mistral" hsg that mates up with a threaded boss in the 93-99
     13BREW , Cosmo 13B & 20B and Renesis front side hsg................This boss does not
     exist on the 86-91 13B which the "Mistral" back-plate was designed for...........
 
      These are the major things I have identified so far and I am sure there will be others...... I still
do not know what exactly to do about the removable front cover of the "Mistral" hsg........Whether
to try and retain a smaller cover by eliminating the auxiliary drive portion of the cover or just to do
a simplified  copy (easier to cast compared to the pressure cast "Renesis" hsg) of the center
part of the "Renesis" hsg to try and retain the EFI/IGN sensor mount.......... 
 
      Enough for now...........This will give you some info to mull over.................I will try to get a few
photos to illustrate some of what is above.............
.
Best Regards,     
 

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Back-plate/Oil Manifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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