X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm30-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.194] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with SMTP id 4954537 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 15:39:27 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.194; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.44.104] by nm30.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2011 19:38:50 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.67] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2011 19:38:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2011 19:38:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 523894.21154.bm@omp1004.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 72200 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Apr 2011 19:38:50 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1303501130; bh=Qk5PtRsugxWnkCfLUbbt4kyqNlA0noDpGYisEizPhqM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1YNZyYi7WJG3JyIyYK8sYMqip0K8zjdwYbhYZnDVgc9eqZizhhcHUCN0oaoI+3ShwMUDYblVAP71LvfW1kIAnlshRrs3/VOHWyggueluJRJSBRosB7Ao6OSow1dMA0I1s6OkK7Q/toYY56+4VW+0u91VJ2gG02kOwLMv7IQ7O/s= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=o+asr7lKBACpdSGTkMBu72kd4qBKFF/VEqwNWLB0BO9mfpxgr0L7Uvy5BMVbnO2iAfOFwOxzNnDQ8MGv7Gh1w5LzxKGO0B0OEGPYG0lnCq0wX1jdXzg09hW+AqN255mnwDIvB1FfJ8SYmY/zLoPDzxDJ8zyGxhtyXw1XMoe4sSo=; Message-ID: <177052.39921.qm@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: CtouLCIVM1lGtTm6A6PjwGAloedg1s4PQbDi21vvB2fGDFf s.4w7DBP7fcVnUPCil9xxhGQhIn7w4VV_J2lI3mzpQdF9kXg_slIdU6t6IAt BEumKBuXczcc5ar_gzHhiWjpz0Zzm5873LLqUk9NFENzXIqCH_MofW13gK.Y 15aH4dkiKYWJEuDPgexKOWr6zkuWcs_8ZvWta8tnZzfNcBt2D3OeNJBbAemH 0H1QuNc1_TbV_yTOc3dLR2w6ekr0eZdnQ35qf2cmEq7deEr2YfNR6gmJXvk8 cwX1fQgODYgXJ.xZeBKW6e5hU9qPxQmf7zniiCZil7BtQCT0spxCDa5m1lOs MFtgWGGV2MH9y4bnQ Received: from [208.114.47.9] by web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:38:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/559 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.295617 References: Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:38:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral 'Like' Intake To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-430435484-1303501130=:39921" --0-430435484-1303501130=:39921 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jarrett,=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0I am=A0located=A0in Yukon,Oklahoma just West of Okla= homa City,OK..............My =0Ahangar and project are located=0Aon=A0C E P= age airport (=A0RCE).....................=0A=0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELT= A JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"= _Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________= ________________________=0AFrom: H & J Johnson =0ATo= : Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Fri, Apri= l 22, 2011 1:34:59 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral 'Like' Intake=0A= =0AErnest, I'm not looking to duplicate either completely. Rather having th= e =0Adetails of what they made work and what would work better for the aver= age =0Abuilder is where I'm looking to go. Having all the cards on the tabl= e and the =0Aability to pick and choose what we think is the best setup for= everyone is as =0Agood as it gets in problem solving or product improvemen= ts. =0A=0AThanks also to Kelly for all the intel and pictures. I'll be in t= ouch in regards =0Ato parts etc..Btw, Kelly where are you located?=A0 =0A= =0AGreat to be starting down this road finally.. it's been a long time comi= ng !=0A=0AJarrett Johnson =0Awww.innovention-tech.com =0A=0A----- Original = Message ----- From: Ernest Christley Date: =0AFriday, = April 22, 2011 10:23 am Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral 'Like' Intake > = =0AOn 04/22/2011 12:01 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: =0A=0A> > Jarrett, =0A> >=A0= =A0=A0=A0 The main problem (from my eyeball engineering) will be =0A> integ= rating =0A> > the Renesis (or other) water-pump into a simplified =0A> > "M= istral" hsg without any interference with the Lycoming mount =0A> ring =0A>= > and "Dyna-focal" engine mounts..........The only part of =0A> > the "Ren= esis" hsg that has to be duplicated is the water-pump =0A> hsg =0A> > porti= on (see photo) and provisions made for locating =0A> > the "Renesis" igniti= on sensor in the same relative position on a =0A> > redesigned "Mistral" hs= g..............Much of the "Mistral" =0A> > open front can be eliminated (n= o need for the accessory drive =0A> section) =0A> > but retaining the remov= able front cover (which =0A> > doubles as a alternator mount point) would b= e a nice feature =0A> (but add =0A> > complication) as it allows access to = the 13B front =0A> > thrust brg , gear stack and oil pump without pulling t= he engine =0A> (this =0A> > feature is not necessary if it is too costly)..= ...........The =0A> > relative positions of the water-pump and front oil se= al from the =0A> > 13B/Renesis frt side hsg need to be maintained to allow = =0A> > the use of the "Renesis" frt hub , pulley and ignition trigger =0A> = wheel =0A> > and to maintain pulley/belt alignment............. =0A> > =0A>= =0A> If you're going for this much of a redesign, start with a clean =0A> = sheet =0A> and incorporate a generator into the mount.=A0 You would need fo= ur =0A> raised =0A> lands around the crank to mount the stator against the = housing, =0A> and a =0A> splined adapter to mount the rotor to the crank.= =A0 You could then =0A> move to =0A> an electric water pump, or mount the d= rive pulley on the outside =0A> of the =0A> rotor. =0A> =0A> =0A-- Homepag= e: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: =0Ahttp://mail.lancairo= nline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0A=0AJarrett Johnson =0Awww.innovent= ion-tech.com --0-430435484-1303501130=:39921 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Jarrett,
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    I a= m located in Yukon,Oklahoma just West of Oklahoma City,OK........= ......My hangar and project are located
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on C E Page airpo= rt ( RCE).....................
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Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" = (Eventually)

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"13B ROTARY"_ Engine"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONET= ICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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=0AFrom: H & J Johnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrota= ry@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 1:34:59 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral 'Like' Intake

= Ernest, I'm not looking to duplicate either completely. Rather having= the details of what they made work and what would work better for the aver= age builder is where I'm looking to go. Having all the cards on the table a= nd the ability to pick and choose what we think is the best setup for every= one is as good as it gets in problem solving or product improvements. =0AThanks also to Kelly for all the intel and pictures. I'll be in touch in r= egards to parts etc..Btw, Kelly where are you located? 

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Grea= t to be starting down this road finally.. it's been a long time coming !
Jarrett Johnson
www.innovention-tech.com


Jarrett Johnson
www.innovention-tech.com

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= ----- Original Message ----- =0A

From: Ernest Christley &l= t;echristley@att.net> =0A

Date: Friday, April 22, 2011 10:2= 3 am =0A

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral 'Like' Intake =0A

=

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> On 04/22/2011 12:01 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote:
> >= ; Jarrett,
> >     The main problem (from my = eyeball engineering) will be
> integrating
> > the Renesis= (or other) water-pump into a simplified
> > "Mistral" hsg withou= t any interference with the Lycoming mount
> ring
> > and = "Dyna-focal" engine mounts..........The only part of
> > the "Ren= esis" hsg that has to be duplicated is the water-pump
> hsg
>= > portion (see photo) and provisions made for locating
> > th= e "Renesis" ignition sensor in the same relative position on a
> >= ; redesigned "Mistral" hsg..............Much of the "Mistral"
> >= open front can be eliminated (no need for the accessory drive
> sec= tion)
> > but retaining the removable front cover (which
>= > doubles as a alternator mount point) would be a nice feature
> (but add
> > complication) as it allows access to the 13B front =
> > thrust brg , gear stack and oil pump without pulling the engi= ne
> (this
> > feature is not necessary if it is too costl= y).............The
> > relative positions of the water-pump and f= ront oil seal from the
> > 13B/Renesis frt side hsg need to be ma= intained to allow
> > the use of the "Renesis" frt hub , pulley a= nd ignition trigger
> wheel
> > and to maintain pulley/bel= t alignment.............
> >
>
> If you're going fo= r this much of a redesign, start with a clean
> sheet
> and i= ncorporate a generator into the mount.  You would need four
> r= aised
> lands around the crank to mount the stator against the housi= ng,
> and a
> splined adapter to mount the rotor to the crank= .  You could then
> move to
> an electric water pump, or mount the drive pulley on the outside
> of the
> ro= tor.
>
> =0A

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