X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm14.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.141] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with SMTP id 4953639 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 18:53:52 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.141; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.44.96] by nm14.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2011 22:53:15 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.69] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2011 22:53:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2011 22:53:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 648110.37119.bm@omp1006.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 6542 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2011 22:53:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1303426395; bh=s1FQtWv+CZP1mEOclu4XNvaBZCvqRacU6hiB1/sIsaI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cqoA0yh5BXETeFK4yFfU0r1ZtpBH2X3S1G8oP/XjTT+n0tFME338jHstqrpFuEubwYRql1kvY0apHvn1DIVi50Ei6M1iD8GLDDfjSsgDc7V9hhLlt8XvMYINxIoPCzQNMKjvrAu9jObNCM+7B1pojB4TVs/MorMIV1/zACZGQ/c= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=V1cThTJWzGhw0rv1KOKGUtG+KXuSBCf0OwEWn0XHQ/xmC68uLLIf8u4WxQ7aQbCEkJJym2LIk4J7jqBAKXwFfdbHYsbUc/4OX6tX49Qoyj7yOFsSosnw/A0G0Ws7mkj3jt2RwTc50s/YKyWdZu1JXqa+2Je/6RhuPXk2H4vmbqM=; Message-ID: <399874.5986.qm@web83913.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3UMbaOUVM1mB5Im8ap0jDbRafGGVzaQ.E3WcCuiWMOjsXtY JFj80QPRIIK77INLEVv2kLPIoX2zQ2K4cwTVTjAFdpW8eY1.6Cx.lu.UByJt Jomj7zu.3MJdD5V_OTb9euwxFzWFiiVBtQRvQN728U81P_nNqkFKHKOKujrH x_E5nZVNGL2OQS60hd4Yu1Ch9qr7V3XtVybOOHNL9s30e7BcKDgB0aBJdmog i.XPUF0a97Duth6G93PHyH27knDVcSDzskYiXFQ7HUD7wB7ZnxGqYFybP._j .RXiK7DwTMCYNWsAh4VHQGiCRC0jJaOeNShAOT_9LHUNRm3XFU3Hn4hG6jUi OAyg3Hj5CZdFSRgE2 Received: from [208.114.47.9] by web83913.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:53:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/559 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.295617 References: Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:53:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: Mistral 'Like' Intake To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1088729364-1303426394=:5986" --0-1088729364-1303426394=:5986 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jarret,=0A=A0=A0=A0 I will try to get some better photos of both housings..= ...........I have =0Aseveral I took =0A=0Awhile doing the small amount of m= achine work (milling machine) to adapt the =0AMistral =0A=0Aback-plate to m= y 13B front hsg but they may not be detailed enough for=A0your =0Aneeds=A0= =0Aand a good rear view of the Mistral 13B with water-pump and alternator..= .......I =0Ahave=0Adetermined that the Renesis front hsg appears to be a di= rect bolt on to the =0A93-99=0A13BREW and the Japanese Cosmo 13B and 20B wi= th only 2 existing machined pads =0Athat have to be drilled and threaded fo= r 8mm studs............The main possible =0Aconflict=0Athat I have eyeballe= d may be if the left side of the Renesis water-pump comes =0Atoo=0Aclose to= the top left (from the cockpit) mount ear or the mount itself......That = =0Apossible=0Aproblem might be surmounted by adjusting the pump position sl= ightly=A0with =0Acomputer =0A=0Amagic..........The problem with moving the = pump position using the Renesis pump =0Ais=0Athe studs do not move and migh= t end up in the middle of the pump.............If =0Athat is =0A=0Athe case= a pump closer to the size and shape of the Mistral pump would need to =0Ab= e=0Asourced............This conversion would need to use the Renesis frt hu= b, pulley =0Aand=0Atiming wheel plus the ignition pickup sensor............= ....The Renesis frt hsg =0Awill bolt to=0Athe 86-91 13B but lacks the afore= mentioned machined bolt pads and would lose an=0Aimportant stud next to th= e top left mount ear and one further down the hsg that =0Ais not =0A=0Aas c= ritical for structural integrity.............Will send what photos I have i= n =0Aanother post=0Aas I am not on my home computer...........=0A=A0=0ABest= Regards,=0A=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTAR= Y"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBO= NETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:= H & J Johnson =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Thu, April 21, 2011 4:44:05 PM=0ASubject:= [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral 'Like' Intake=0A=0AWow Kelly! It sounds like you'v= e been giving this some thought! =0AI'd have to see some detailed pictures = of the two part but my first guess is =0Athat 'yes' they could both be scan= ned and then the best of both combined into =0Aone wonderful unit. Do you h= ave good detail pictures of both?=0AYou've certainly got my attention :)=0A= Thanks!=0A=0AJarrett Johnson =0Awww.innovention-tech.com----- Original Mess= age ----- From: Kelly Troyer =0A Date: Thursday, April 21, = 2011 8:50 am Subject: [FlyRotary] =0AMistral 'Like' Intake > Jarrett, =0A= =0A> =0A> =A0=A0=A0=A0 I have been following these=A0posts with interest...= ..........I =0A> agree with =0A> you and others that =0A> =0A> the most urg= ent need for the Rotary crowd is a efficient and =0A> compact intake =0A> m= anifold with =0A> a rear accessory housing with Lycoming mount ears a close= =0A> second........... =0A> =A0=A0=A0=A0I am the proud owner of one of the= few "Mistral" rear =0A> housing/mount plates =0A> which I paid =0A> =0A> d= early for and waited over 2 years for "Mistral" to have a =0A> production r= un of =0A> parts.......... =0A> =0A> =A0=A0 The "Mistral" backplate is over= ly complicated and has =0A> provisions for a =0A> accessory drive =0A> (vac= uum or hydraulic pump) that our electrical homebuilt a/c do =0A> not need p= lus =0A> a=A0expensive =0A> (now unobtainable ) water-pump............It al= so has provision =0A> for an oil =0A> injection pump that =0A> most=A0flyin= g Rotarys do not use since they premix with the =0A> fuel........... =0A> = =A0 IMHO this housing can be simplified using the basic dimensions =0A> and= as Charlie =0A> suggested =0A> possibly utilizing an off the shelf water-p= ump such as the =0A> "Renesis"............. =0A> =0A> =A0=A0 Now to cut to = the=A0chase.............I have both the =0A> "Mistral"=A0hsg and a =0A> 200= 4-8 "Renesis" hsg =0A> so with your "Laser Scanning" ability=A0could both h= sgs be scanned =0A> then=A0"Married" =0A> to each =0A> other and modified i= nto a workable hsg that would fill our =0A> needs=A0??................ =0A>= =0A> Best Regards,=A0 =0A> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =0A> Kelly Troyer =0A> "DYKE= DELTA JD2" (Eventually) =0A> "13B ROTARY"_ Engine =0A> "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 = =0A> "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold =0A> "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo =0A> = =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> ________________________________ =0A> From: H & J Johns= on =0A> To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A> Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 11:38:07 PM =0A> Subject: [= FlyRotary] Re: Mistral 'Like' Intake =0A> =0A> =0A> I agree Charlie, a bett= er way to mount the block is needed, that =0A> is product #2 =0A> that woul= d be looked at[after the intake].=A0 Sorta a 'walk first' =0A> deal.=A0=A0 = All this ties into my wish to use a rotary in the near =0A> future. I see i= t =0A> as stuff that 'I want/need' so if I do, then I'm sure there are othe= rs =0A> that would be interested also. =0A> Once I get this deal w/ the two= jobs figured out things will start =0A> to get mapped =0A> out. =0A> Jarre= tt Johnson =0A> www.innovention-tech.com =0A> =A0 =0A> ----- Original Messa= ge -----From: Charlie England =0A> =0A> Date: Wed= nesday, April 20, 2011 7:27 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: =0A> Mistral 'Like'= =0A> Intake > Hi Jarrett, =0A> =0A> > =0A> > Until a couple of months ago,= I would have been *very* =0A> interested =0A> > in a =0A> > replacement ac= cessory housing with Lyc-style conical or =0A> dynafocal =0A> > mount =0A> = > ears on it. I think that an affordable adapter allowing use of a =0A> > '= stock' =0A> > motor mount that comes with would= do =0A> > more =0A> > for rotaries than any other single 'piece' of after-= market gear. =0A> > It =0A> > means one less thing to fabricate, and the Ly= c style mount gets =0A> > all the =0A> > structure away from the engine, fr= eeing up volume for heat =0A> > exchangers, =0A> > intake, exhaust, etc. = =0A> > =0A> > A housing that could use the stock water pump & oil pump woul= d =0A> be =0A> > ideal =0A> > (unlike the Mistral piece), to minimize cost.= My vote would be =0A> for =0A> > the =0A> > Renesis. =0A> > =0A> > Just a = thought.... =0A> > =0A> > Charlie =0A> > =0A> > On 4/20/2011 6:14 PM, H & J= Johnson wrote: =0A> > > =0A> > > *Thanks Bryan, when looking at something = of this nature, it's =0A> > always =0A> > > the chicken and egg thing! At s= ome point * =0A> > > =0A> > > *I'd love to own a rotary powered a/c so ther= e is some =0A> > additional =0A> > > motivation over building a product. * = =0A> > > =0A> > > ** =0A> > > =0A> > > *The best senario is to get my hands= on an existing manifold =0A> and =0A> > then =0A> > > laser scan it [I've = got the equipment to do this, it's the* =0A> > > =0A> > > *'getting hands o= n' part that might be more difficult]. Once =0A> > I've done =0A> > > that = it's a pretty straight forward move* =0A> > > =0A> > > *to make a similar p= roduct. There are most likely some changes =0A> > that =0A> > > would be in= curred to improve it as well as change it such* =0A> > > =0A> > > *that it'= s not an 'exact' copy, as well as make it fit our =0A> > > experimental use= s directly.=A0 The ability to also integrate to =0A> > fit =0A> > > differn= t * =0A> > > =0A> > > *makes and models of short block is also an advantage= **as I =0A> see =0A> > it as =0A> > > a two pc product.* =0A> > > =0A> > >= *As far as retail price range I think your spot on, it'd be =0A> > great t= o =0A> > > have it on the market for inside of $500 however, that might =0A= > be =0A> > a bit =0A> > > 'bullish'.* =0A> > > =0A> > > *It is certainly a= target to shoot for.=A0 If everything goes as =0A> > planned =0A> > > it w= ill move forward and if there is a market, it's there for =0A> it.* =0A> > = > =0A> > > *My biggest barrier to getting started here and now is getting = =0A> > my =0A> > > hands on a sample....=A0 :) * =0A> > > =0A> > > *Jarrett= Johnson* =0A> > > =0A> > > *www.innovention-tech.com * =0A> > > =0A> > > *----- Original Message -----* =0A> > > = =0A> > > *From*: Bryan Winberry *Date*: =0A> = > > Wednesday, April 20, 2011 5:02 pm *Subject*: [FlyRotary] Re: =0A> > Mis= tral =0A> > > Intake Documentation? > Jarrett, =0A> > > > =0A> > > > I'm ce= rtainly interested in a manifold.=A0 I recall the =0A> mistral one =0A> > >= > going for =0A> > > > quite a lot.=A0 Obviously the more you can sell, th= e less you =0A> have =0A> > > > to ask for =0A> > > > them. =0A> > > > =0A>= > > > What sort of investment is required to produce say ten =0A> units?= =A0 I'm =0A> > > > thinking5-700 dollars(sales price), but then again, I li= ke a =0A> > > > bargain.=A0 Also it =0A> > > > depends on how much profit y= ou feel you need to make. =0A> > > > =0A> > > > I hope I haven't insulted y= ou.=A0 But I have no clue as to how =0A> much =0A> > > > goes into =0A> > >= > cooking up one of these. =0A> > > > =0A> > > > I have a Renesis if you'r= e looking for a test bed. =0A> > > > =0A> > > > Bryan =0A> > > > =0A> > > >= =0A> > > > =0A> > > >=A0 _____ =0A> > > > =0A> > > > From: Rotary motors i= n aircraft =0A> [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On =0A> > > > Behalf Of H & J= Johnson =0A> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 6:14 PM =0A> > > > To: = Rotary motors in aircraft =0A> > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral Intak= e Documentation? =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > So it's possib= le that I've missed the question [I'm a bit =0A> behind =0A> > > > on my = =0A> > > > emails] but is there a market for a Mistral type intake =0A> man= ifold =0A> > > > system?I'm in the process of finalizing a casting furnace = =0A> and =0A> > > > foundry setup and =0A> > > > have been looking at vario= us projects in and around rotary =0A> > > > engines. Intake =0A> > > > mani= folds have been at the top of the list. I own the needed =0A> CNC =0A> > > = > equipmentto build the molds and patterns for a project of =0A> this =0A> = > > > level, it's always =0A> > > > just been a issue of time to dedicate t= o the project. =0A> > > > =0A> > > > Recently I was given an opportunity to= have more time to do =0A> on =0A> > > > projects like =0A> > > > this [sto= p working two jobs and have multiple days off to do =0A> stuff =0A> > > > l= ike this =0A> > > > with a reasonably flexible schedule] =0A> > > > =0A> > = > > I'm curious as to the demand for a reasonably priced =0A> manifold? =0A= > > > > [Also, in the =0A> > > > end customers mind, what would be 'reasona= bly priced'?] =0A> > > > =0A> > > > Best Regards =0A> > > > =0A> > > > Jarr= ett Johnson =0A> > > > =0A> > > > www.innovention-tech.com =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > -- =0A> > > > =0A> > > = > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > Homepage:=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/ =0A> > > > = =0A> > > > =0A> > > > =0A> > > > Archive and UnSub: =0A> > > > http://mail.= lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html =0A> > > > =0A> > > -- =0A> = > > =0A> > > Homepage:=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/ =0A> > > =0A> > > Archi= ve and UnSub:=A0=A0 =0A> > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary= /List.html =0A> > =0A> --=A0=A0=A0 Homepage:=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/= =A0=A0=A0 Archive and UnSub:=A0=A0 =0A> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/li= sts/flyrotary/List.html =0A-- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Ar= chive and UnSub: =0Ahttp://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List= .html=0A=0AJarrett Johnson =0Awww.innovention-tech.com --0-1088729364-1303426394=:5986 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Jarret,
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    I will try to get some better photos of both hous= ings.............I have several I took
=0A
= while doing the small amount of machine work (milling machine) to adapt the= Mistral
=0A
back-plate to my 13B front hsg= but they may not be detailed enough for your needs 
= =0A
and a good rear view of the Mistral 13B with water-p= ump and alternator.........I have
=0A
determ= ined that the Renesis front hsg appears to be a direct bolt on to the 93-99=
=0A
13BREW and the Japanese Cosmo 13B and 2= 0B with only 2 existing machined pads
=0A
t= hat have to be drilled and threaded for 8mm studs............The main possi= ble conflict
=0A
that I have eyeballed may b= e if the left side of the Renesis water-pump comes too
=0A
= close to the top left (from the cockpit) mount ear or the mo= unt itself......That possible
=0A
problem mi= ght be surmounted by adjusting the pump position slightly with compute= r
=0A
magic..........The problem with movin= g the pump position using the Renesis pump is
=0A
the studs do not move and might end up in the middle of the pump.....= ........If that is
=0A
the case a pump clos= er to the size and shape of the Mistral pump would need to be
= =0A
sourced............This conversion would need to use= the Renesis frt hub, pulley and
=0A
timing = wheel plus the ignition pickup sensor................The Renesis frt hsg wi= ll bolt to
=0A
the 86-91 13B but lacks the a= fore mentioned machined bolt pads and would lose an
=0A
important stud next to the top left mount ear and one further d= own the hsg that is not
=0A
as critical for= structural integrity.............Will send what photos I have in another p= ost
=0A
as I am not on my home computer.....= ......
=0A
 
=0A
Best Regards,
=0A
 =0A

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually= )

=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1= C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

=0A

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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=0AFrom: H & J Johnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>=
To: Rotary motors in ai= rcraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 4:44:05 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral 'Like' I= ntake

Wow Kelly! It sounds like you've been giving this= some thought! =0A

I'd have to see some detailed pictures of the two part= but my first guess is that 'yes' they could both be scanned and then the b= est of both combined into one wonderful unit. Do you have good detail pictu= res of both?

=0A

You've certainly got my attention :)

=0A

Thanks!=

Jarrett Johnson
www.innovention-tech.com

Jarrett Johnson www.innovention-tech.com

=0A

----- Original Message = ----- =0A

From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> =0A

=

Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011 8:50 am =0A

Subject:= [FlyRotary] Mistral 'Like' Intake =0A

=0A

> Jarrett,
&g= t;
>      I have been following these posts= with interest.............I
> agree with
> you and others th= at
>
> the most urgent need for the Rotary crowd is a efficie= nt and
> compact intake
> manifold with
> a rear acces= sory housing with Lycoming mount ears a close
> second........... >     I am the proud owner of one of the few "Mist= ral" rear
> housing/mount plates
> which I paid
>
= > dearly for and waited over 2 years for "Mistral" to have a
> pr= oduction run of
> parts..........
>
>    The= "Mistral" backplate is overly complicated and has
> provisions for = a
> accessory drive
> (vacuum or hydraulic pump) that our ele= ctrical homebuilt a/c do
> not need plus
> a expensive <= BR>> (now unobtainable ) water-pump............It also has provision
> for an oil
> i= njection pump that
> most flying Rotarys do not use since they = premix with the
> fuel...........
>   IMHO this housing = can be simplified using the basic dimensions
> and as Charlie
&g= t; suggested
> possibly utilizing an off the shelf water-pump such a= s the
> "Renesis".............
>
>    Now to= cut to the chase.............I have both the
> "Mistral" = hsg and a
> 2004-8 "Renesis" hsg
> so with your "Laser Scanni= ng" ability could both hsgs be scanned
> then "Married" > to each
> other and modified into a workable hsg that would f= ill our
> needs ??................
>
> Best Regar= ds, 
>       
> Kelly Troy= er
> "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifo= ld
> "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
>
>
>
> =
> ________________________________
> From: H & J Johnson = <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft <fl= yrotary@lancaironline.net>
> Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 11:38:07 P= M
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral 'Like' Intake
>
>=
> I agree Charlie, a better way to mount the block is needed, that =
> is product #2
> that would be looked at[after the intake].&= nbsp; Sorta a 'walk first'
> deal.   All this ties into my= wish to use a rotary in the near
> future. I see it
> as stu= ff that 'I want/need' so if I do, then I'm sure there are others
> t= hat would be interested also.
> Once I get this deal w/ the two jobs= figured out things will start
> to get mapped
> out.
> Jarrett Johnson
> www.innovention-tech.com
>  =
> ----- Original Message -----From: Charlie England
> <ce= england@bellsouth.net>
> Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 7:27 pm = Subject: [FlyRotary] Re:
> Mistral 'Like'
> Intake > Hi Ja= rrett,
>
> >
> > Until a couple of months ago, I= would have been *very*
> interested
> > in a
> >= ; replacement accessory housing with Lyc-style conical or
> dynafoca= l
> > mount
> > ears on it. I think that an affordable = adapter allowing use of a
> > 'stock'
> > motor mount t= hat comes with <insert a/c of choice here> would do
> > mor= e
> > for rotaries than any other single 'piece' of after-market = gear.
> > It
> > means one less thing to fabricate, and= the Lyc style mount gets
> > all the
> > structure away from the engine, freeing up volume for heat
> > e= xchangers,
> > intake, exhaust, etc.
> >
> > = A housing that could use the stock water pump & oil pump would
>= be
> > ideal
> > (unlike the Mistral piece), to minimi= ze cost. My vote would be
> for
> > the
> > Rene= sis.
> >
> > Just a thought....
> >
> = > Charlie
> >
> > On 4/20/2011 6:14 PM, H & J Jo= hnson wrote:
> > >
> > > *Thanks Bryan, when look= ing at something of this nature, it's
> > always
> > &g= t; the chicken and egg thing! At some point *
> > >
> &= gt; > *I'd love to own a rotary powered a/c so there is some
> &g= t; additional
> > > motivation over building a product. *
= > > >
> > > **
> > >
> > > *The best senario is to get my hands on an existing manifold > and
> > then
> > > laser scan it [I've got the= equipment to do this, it's the*
> > >
> > > *'ge= tting hands on' part that might be more difficult]. Once
> > I've= done
> > > that it's a pretty straight forward move*
>= > >
> > > *to make a similar product. There are most li= kely some changes
> > that
> > > would be incurred t= o improve it as well as change it such*
> > >
> > &g= t; *that it's not an 'exact' copy, as well as make it fit our
> >= > experimental uses directly.  The ability to also integrate to > > fit
> > > differnt *
> > >
> &= gt; > *makes and models of short block is also an advantage **as I
&= gt; see
> > it as
> > > a two pc product.*
> > >
> > > *As far as retail price range I thin= k your spot on, it'd be
> > great to
> > > have it o= n the market for inside of $500 however, that might
> be
> &g= t; a bit
> > > 'bullish'.*
> > >
> > &g= t; *It is certainly a target to shoot for.  If everything goes as
= > > planned
> > > it will move forward and if there is a= market, it's there for
> it.*
> > >
> > >= *My biggest barrier to getting started here and now is getting
> &g= t; my
> > > hands on a sample....  :) *
> > >= ;
> > > *Jarrett Johnson*
> > >
> > >= ; *www.innovention-tech.com <http://www.innovention-tech.com> *
&= gt; > >
> > > *----- Original Message -----*
> &g= t; >
> > > *From*: Bryan Winberry <bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net> *Date*:
> > > Wednesday, = April 20, 2011 5:02 pm *Subject*: [FlyRotary] Re:
> > Mistral > > > Intake Documentation? > Jarrett,
> > > >=
> > > > I'm certainly interested in a manifold.  I re= call the
> mistral one
> > > > going for
> &g= t; > > quite a lot.  Obviously the more you can sell, the less y= ou
> have
> > > > to ask for
> > > >= them.
> > > >
> > > > What sort of investm= ent is required to produce say ten
> units?  I'm
> > = > > thinking5-700 dollars(sales price), but then again, I like a
= > > > > bargain.  Also it
> > > > depends = on how much profit you feel you need to make.
> > > >
&= gt; > > > I hope I haven't insulted you.  But I have no clue as to how
> much
> > > > goes into
>= > > > cooking up one of these.
> > > >
> &= gt; > > I have a Renesis if you're looking for a test bed.
> &= gt; > >
> > > > Bryan
> > > >
>= ; > > >
> > > >
> > > >  ____= _
> > > >
> > > > From: Rotary motors in ai= rcraft
> [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
> > > > Be= half Of H & J Johnson
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 20= , 2011 6:14 PM
> > > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
&g= t; > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral Intake Documentation? > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
&= gt; > > > So it's possible that I've missed the question [I'm a bi= t
> behind
> > > > on my
> > > > emails] but is there a market for a Mistral type intake
> mani= fold
> > > > system?I'm in the process of finalizing a cast= ing furnace
> and
> > > > foundry setup and
>= > > > have been looking at various projects in and around rotary =
> > > > engines. Intake
> > > > manifolds h= ave been at the top of the list. I own the needed
> CNC
> >= ; > > equipmentto build the molds and patterns for a project of
&= gt; this
> > > > level, it's always
> > > >= just been a issue of time to dedicate to the project.
> > > &= gt;
> > > > Recently I was given an opportunity to have mor= e time to do
> on
> > > > projects like
> >= ; > > this [stop working two jobs and have multiple days off to do > stuff
> > > > like this
> > > > with a reasonably flexible schedule]
> > > >
>= > > > I'm curious as to the demand for a reasonably priced
&g= t; manifold?
> > > > [Also, in the
> > > > = end customers mind, what would be 'reasonably priced'?]
> > > = >
> > > > Best Regards
> > > >
> = > > > Jarrett Johnson
> > > >
> > > &= gt; www.innovention-tech.com <http://www.innovention-tech.com/>
&= gt; > > >
> > > >
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