X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from electron.sasknet.sk.ca ([142.165.20.179] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with ESMTPS id 4953609 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 17:44:42 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=142.165.20.179; envelope-from=hjjohnson@sasktel.net Received: from pps.filterd (electron [127.0.0.1]) by electron.sasknet.sk.ca (8.14.3/8.14.3) with SMTP id p3LLhNoi012822 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:44:05 -0600 Received: from bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca (bgmpOMR1.sasknet.sk.ca [142.165.72.22]) by electron.sasknet.sk.ca with ESMTP id vtv61966q-1 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:44:05 -0600 Received: from sasktel.net ([192.168.234.97]) by bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca (SaskTel eMessaging Service) with ESMTP id <0LK000GHAV1HS7X0@bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca> for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:44:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from [192.168.234.25] (Forwarded-For: [24.89.93.210]) by cgmail1.sasknet.sk.ca (mshttpd); Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:44:05 -0600 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:44:05 -0600 From: H & J Johnson Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Mistral 'Like' Intake To: Rotary motors in aircraft Message-id: <5188f54477ef.4db050c5@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.1 HotFix 0.20 (built Feb 27 2006) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-04-21_06:2011-04-21,2011-04-21,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-1012030000 definitions=main-1104210141 Wow Kelly! It sounds like you've been giving this some thought!

I'd have to see some detailed pictures of the two part but my first guess is that 'yes' they could both be scanned and then the best of both combined into one wonderful unit. Do you have good detail pictures of both?

You've certainly got my attention :)

Thanks!

Jarrett Johnson
www.innovention-tech.com

Jarrett Johnson
www.innovention-tech.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>

Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011 8:50 am

Subject: [FlyRotary] Mistral 'Like' Intake

> Jarrett,
>
>      I have been following these posts with interest.............I
> agree with
> you and others that
>
> the most urgent need for the Rotary crowd is a efficient and
> compact intake
> manifold with
> a rear accessory housing with Lycoming mount ears a close
> second...........
>     I am the proud owner of one of the few "Mistral" rear
> housing/mount plates
> which I paid
>
> dearly for and waited over 2 years for "Mistral" to have a
> production run of
> parts..........
>
>    The "Mistral" backplate is overly complicated and has
> provisions for a
> accessory drive
> (vacuum or hydraulic pump) that our electrical homebuilt a/c do
> not need plus
> a expensive
> (now unobtainable ) water-pump............It also has provision
> for an oil
> injection pump that
> most flying Rotarys do not use since they premix with the
> fuel...........
> IMHO this housing can be simplified using the basic dimensions
> and as Charlie
> suggested
> possibly utilizing an off the shelf water-pump such as the
> "Renesis".............
>
>    Now to cut to the chase.............I have both the
> "Mistral" hsg and a
> 2004-8 "Renesis" hsg
> so with your "Laser Scanning" ability could both hsgs be scanned
> then "Married"
> to each
> other and modified into a workable hsg that would fill our
> needs ??................
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Kelly Troyer
> "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: H & J Johnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 11:38:07 PM
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral 'Like' Intake
>
>
> I agree Charlie, a better way to mount the block is needed, that
> is product #2
> that would be looked at[after the intake]. Sorta a 'walk first'
> deal.   All this ties into my wish to use a rotary in the near
> future. I see it
> as stuff that 'I want/need' so if I do, then I'm sure there are others
> that would be interested also.
> Once I get this deal w/ the two jobs figured out things will start
> to get mapped
> out.
> Jarrett Johnson
> www.innovention-tech.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----From: Charlie England
> <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
> Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 7:27 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re:
> Mistral 'Like'
> Intake > Hi Jarrett,
>
> >
> > Until a couple of months ago, I would have been *very*
> interested
> > in a
> > replacement accessory housing with Lyc-style conical or
> dynafocal
> > mount
> > ears on it. I think that an affordable adapter allowing use of a
> > 'stock'
> > motor mount that comes with <insert a/c of choice here> would do
> > more
> > for rotaries than any other single 'piece' of after-market gear.
> > It
> > means one less thing to fabricate, and the Lyc style mount gets
> > all the
> > structure away from the engine, freeing up volume for heat
> > exchangers,
> > intake, exhaust, etc.
> >
> > A housing that could use the stock water pump & oil pump would
> be
> > ideal
> > (unlike the Mistral piece), to minimize cost. My vote would be
> for
> > the
> > Renesis.
> >
> > Just a thought....
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> > On 4/20/2011 6:14 PM, H & J Johnson wrote:
> > >
> > > *Thanks Bryan, when looking at something of this nature, it's
> > always
> > > the chicken and egg thing! At some point *
> > >
> > > *I'd love to own a rotary powered a/c so there is some
> > additional
> > > motivation over building a product. *
> > >
> > > **
> > >
> > > *The best senario is to get my hands on an existing manifold
> and
> > then
> > > laser scan it [I've got the equipment to do this, it's the*
> > >
> > > *'getting hands on' part that might be more difficult]. Once
> > I've done
> > > that it's a pretty straight forward move*
> > >
> > > *to make a similar product. There are most likely some changes
> > that
> > > would be incurred to improve it as well as change it such*
> > >
> > > *that it's not an 'exact' copy, as well as make it fit our
> > > experimental uses directly. The ability to also integrate to
> > fit
> > > differnt *
> > >
> > > *makes and models of short block is also an advantage **as I
> see
> > it as
> > > a two pc product.*
> > >
> > > *As far as retail price range I think your spot on, it'd be
> > great to
> > > have it on the market for inside of $500 however, that might
> be
> > a bit
> > > 'bullish'.*
> > >
> > > *It is certainly a target to shoot for. If everything goes as
> > planned
> > > it will move forward and if there is a market, it's there for
> it.*
> > >
> > > *My biggest barrier to getting started here and now is getting
> > my
> > > hands on a sample.... :) *
> > >
> > > *Jarrett Johnson*
> > >
> > > *www.innovention-tech.com <http://www.innovention-tech.com> *
> > >
> > > *----- Original Message -----*
> > >
> > > *From*: Bryan Winberry <bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net> *Date*:
> > > Wednesday, April 20, 2011 5:02 pm *Subject*: [FlyRotary] Re:
> > Mistral
> > > Intake Documentation? > Jarrett,
> > > >
> > > > I'm certainly interested in a manifold. I recall the
> mistral one
> > > > going for
> > > > quite a lot. Obviously the more you can sell, the less you
> have
> > > > to ask for
> > > > them.
> > > >
> > > > What sort of investment is required to produce say ten
> units? I'm
> > > > thinking5-700 dollars(sales price), but then again, I like a
> > > > bargain. Also it
> > > > depends on how much profit you feel you need to make.
> > > >
> > > > I hope I haven't insulted you. But I have no clue as to how
> much
> > > > goes into
> > > > cooking up one of these.
> > > >
> > > > I have a Renesis if you're looking for a test bed.
> > > >
> > > > Bryan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft
> [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
> > > > Behalf Of H & J Johnson
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 6:14 PM
> > > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral Intake Documentation?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So it's possible that I've missed the question [I'm a bit
> behind
> > > > on my
> > > > emails] but is there a market for a Mistral type intake
> manifold
> > > > system?I'm in the process of finalizing a casting furnace
> and
> > > > foundry setup and
> > > > have been looking at various projects in and around rotary
> > > > engines. Intake
> > > > manifolds have been at the top of the list. I own the needed
> CNC
> > > > equipmentto build the molds and patterns for a project of
> this
> > > > level, it's always
> > > > just been a issue of time to dedicate to the project.
> > > >
> > > > Recently I was given an opportunity to have more time to do
> on
> > > > projects like
> > > > this [stop working two jobs and have multiple days off to do
> stuff
> > > > like this
> > > > with a reasonably flexible schedule]
> > > >
> > > > I'm curious as to the demand for a reasonably priced
> manifold?
> > > > [Also, in the
> > > > end customers mind, what would be 'reasonably priced'?]
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards
> > > >
> > > > Jarrett Johnson
> > > >
> > > > www.innovention-tech.com <http://www.innovention-tech.com/>
> > > >
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