X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.121] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with ESMTP id 4948035 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 16 Apr 2011 06:38:37 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.121; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ToWar1fa9ljTHbeJIRNQycBnYxCRNi5M/11QAwRcJ6A= c=1 sm=0 a=5qYtEaTt718A:10 a=rPkcCx1H5rrOSfN0dPC7kw==:17 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=ancIXH1rF44o-afsgLYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=DL7JP2Uw3RSOpFRv:21 a=fyeIZRA3IdIj8DDM:21 a=pedpZTtsAAAA:8 a=Pn8jCuQL1l6xcEy5OxIA:9 a=StwxmSLkZ8pydiSeGjgA:7 a=eJojReuL3h0A:10 a=Zd9YqflkZioGL2KY:21 a=A-xYtUe8F1t8gPoX:21 a=rPkcCx1H5rrOSfN0dPC7kw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 174.110.167.5 Received: from [174.110.167.5] ([174.110.167.5:56690] helo=EdPC) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 7E/23-29678-98179AD4; Sat, 16 Apr 2011 10:38:01 +0000 Message-ID: <52FE15421B3C4F26BE280C5C3858B338@EdPC> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: 16X Torque and Fuel Economy Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 06:37:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01CBFC00.CE00A760" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CBFC00.CE00A760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, not necessarily, Bill - if you improve the BSFC by improving the = combustion process through various means (direct injection, different = combustion chamber geometry, etc) you can theoretically get more HP with = less fuel used - NOT that we are likely to see that. But, I would agree = that for all practical purposes, if you want twice the HP, you had = better plan on twice the fuel burn. Ed From: Bill Bradburry=20 Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:39 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 16X Torque and Fuel Economy Twice the HP means twice the fuel burned..Which addresses the 20% fuel = improvement of the Renesis. =20 The Renesis was supposed to have a higher HP. That would burn more = fuel, not less. Also it is difficult to have a hairy raging monster = engine that just demurely sips fuel at highway speeds. =20 Bill B Still working on cooling :<( =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of Lehanover@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 7:32 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 16X Torque and Fuel Economy =20 =20 =20 In a message dated 4/15/2011 1:14:28 P.M. Atlantic Daylight Time, = eanderson@carolina.rr.com writes: Mazda claims that the 16X will have double the torque (at all rpm) and = better fuel economy at high engine speeds. The Renesis claimed a 20% = fuel improvement - but it appeared that was to be found at lower rpm = than we operate at. So hopefully the 16X will be kinder at our rpm = range. =20 =20 Would not "twice" the torque mean twice the HP? =20 Torque X RPM /5252 =3D HP =20 Lynn E. Hanover ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CBFC00.CE00A760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well, not necessarily, Bill - if you = improve the BSFC=20 by improving the combustion process through various means (direct = injection,=20 different combustion chamber geometry, etc) you can theoretically get = more HP=20 with less fuel used - NOT that we are likely to see that. But, I = would=20 agree that for all practical purposes, if you want twice the HP, you had = better=20 plan on twice the fuel burn.

Ed

From: Bill Bradburry

Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:39 PM

To: Rotary motors in = aircraft

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 16X Torque and Fuel=20 Economy

Twice the HP = means=20 twice the fuel burned=85.Which addresses the 20% fuel improvement of the = Renesis.

The Renesis = was=20 supposed to have a higher HP. That would burn more fuel, not = less. =20 Also it is difficult to have a hairy raging monster engine that just = demurely=20 sips fuel at highway speeds.

Bill B = Still=20 working on cooling :<(

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of Lehanover@aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 7:32 = PM
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 16X = Torque and=20 Fuel Economy

In a message = dated=20 4/15/2011 1:14:28 P.M. Atlantic Daylight Time, eanderson@carolina.rr.com = writes:

Mazda = claims that=20 the 16X will have double the torque (at all rpm) and better fuel = economy at=20 high engine speeds. The Renesis claimed a 20% fuel improvement - = but it=20 appeared that was to be found at lower rpm than we operate at. = So=20 hopefully the 16X will be kinder at our rpm=20 range.

Would not = "twice" the=20 torque mean twice the HP?

Torque X RPM = /5252 =3D=20 HP

Lynn E.=20 Hanover

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