X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [64.129.170.194] (HELO VIRCOM1.fcdata.private) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with ESMTP id 4943175 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 15:10:20 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.129.170.194; envelope-from=cbarber@texasattorney.net Received: from FCD-MAIL06.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([fe80::697f:d6aa:b87:78d8]) by FCD-MAIL05.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([fe80::809d:a06e:5913:452e%15]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:05:13 -0500 From: Chris Barber To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: New alternator in new position. Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: New alternator in new position. Thread-Index: AQHL+GOAdsxzQ/0qwUCYNPdPOK6I/ZRZAxMW Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:09:15 +0000 Message-ID: <2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D3065A4D68D@FCD-MAIL06.FCDATA.PRIVATE> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [99.98.105.202] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D3065A4D68DFCDMAIL06FCDATA_" MIME-Version: 1.0 --_000_2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D3065A4D68DFCDMAIL06FCDATA_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My plane is a Velocity SE; the smaller.....faster, more nimble Velocity....= the "say" it is the "sport" Velocity ;-). Yeah, I have had the luxury or s= ome room under the cowl. I am using two alternators. One in the stock position, it is the off the s= helf, 70 amp Mitsubishi alternator. The new one is a 40 amp made for tract= ors. I purchased it online and had my local auto electric guy here in Hous= ton disable the internal regulator for 20 bucks. Both my alternators run t= hrough their own B&C external regulators (the really expensive one with ove= rvoltage protection). I will try to take some photos of the A/C. Yeah, I am aware and concerned = about the weight. That being said, this unit fell into my lap, almost lite= rally. When I started my job as a cop several years ago, I met a fellow b= uilder in the city where I work. He is building an RV-7 with an Eggenfelde= r Soob in his garage. We have become fast friends. He is an engineer by d= egree and training. He has goobs of experience in aviation and engineering= . Following years in the auto industry as a mechanic for Audi, while he wa= s in school, and then in auto crash analysis before he started his own comp= any. The company installs A/C in A/C's. He has contracts with several big= boys with units in everything from the factory Velocity turbo model to Moo= ney's, Cessna, Piper etc. The A/C would only be a vague consideration if n= ot for him and his knowledge, talent and the one hell of a demo deal he gav= e me on it. (including me doing the fiberglass work on his cowls...and a bi= t of legal reviews since I am still a lawyer ;-)). Chris ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of = David Moyer [davidm@remconinc.com] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 11:17 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: New alternator in new position. Chris, I still need to make it down to check things out before you get it i= n the air. Congrats on it running! Glad to hear that it is running and star= ting well. I say keep it simple for now and get it flying. I know it is tem= pting to put in the A/C now as our Texas summer seems to be here early this= year. Sure gets hot while on the ground especially when it's 100 degrees o= utside. Are you planning on just running the 40 amp alt, or running two? I would be interested in seeing the A/C setup you are looking at as I have = been looking at adding one to my cozy. Not sure if the extra weight it wort= h it though. David Moyer On 4/11/2011 12:10 AM, Chris Barber wrote: Ok. First let's restrict comments on the hinky slotted bracket. It is two b= rackets bolted together to test it out. Neither was long enough so I need t= o buy or fabricate one. It is working ok for now. This is a alt for a Kobuto tractor. It is also shipped on the Eggenfelder s= oob. It is 40 amps to work with the stock 70 amp in the stock mount. This is wir= ed with the Aeroelectric Z-14 schematic and is mounted on the stock air pum= p bracket. The Mistral intake almost interfered but I held my tongue just r= ight along with a small prayer to the builder Gawd, Comonmakeitfit, and I f= igured it out. I ran the engine (yeah, my engine is actually running) and the alt was rock= solid and the belt was smooth as ice. I saved about 7 lbs. Before you herald me as a weight saving guru the reaso= n I removed the old full size alternator that was mounted with a bit "off" = Pineapple Racing alternator mount (it mounts a second alt where the stock a= ir conditioner compressor goes) is to make room for a Seamech aircraft air = conditioner. My friend owns the company and is supervising the A/C install.= Now if the engine just stays running as great, with really easy starts, a= s it has been for the last few weeks. I am conflicted as to install the a/c now or after 40. Local opinions vary = with all shades of gray spoken for ;-) Also, passed my medical this week and am schedules for unusual attitude fly= ing on Tues and Thursday at Texas Taildraggers. Things may be progressing. Chris Houston -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.= html --_000_2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D3065A4D68DFCDMAIL06FCDATA_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My plane is a Velocity SE; the smaller.....faster, more nimb= le Velocity....the "say" it is the "sport" Veloc= ity ;-).  Yeah, I have had the luxury or some room under t= he cowl.

 

I am using two alternators.  One in the stock position, it is the o= ff the shelf, 70 amp Mitsubishi alternator.  The new one i= s a 40 amp made for tractors.  I purchased it online and had my local = auto electric guy here in Houston disable the internal reg= ulator for 20 bucks.  Both my alternators run through their own B&C= external regulators (the really expensive one with overvolta= ge protection).

 

I will try to take some photos of the A/C.  Yeah, I am aware and co= ncerned about the weight.  That being said, this unit fell into my lap= , almost literally.  When I started my job as a cop several years= ago,  I met a fellow builder in the city where I work.  He is building an RV-7 with an Eggenfelder Soob= in his garage.  We have become fast friends.  He is a= n engineer by degree and training.  He has goobs of= experience in aviation and engineering.  Following years in the auto industry as a mechanic for Audi, while he was in school, and t= hen in auto crash analysis before he started his own company.&n= bsp; The company installs A/C in A/C's.  He has contract= s with several big boys with units in everything from the factory Velocity turbo model to Mooney's, Cessna, Piper et= c.  The A/C would only be a vague consideration if not for= him and his knowledge, talent and the one hell of a demo deal he ga= ve me on it. (including me doing the fiberglass work on his cowls...and a bit of legal reviews since I am stil= l a lawyer ;-)).

 

Chris

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary= @lancaironline.net] on behalf of David Moyer [davidm@remconinc.com]
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 11:17 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: New alternator in new position.

Chris, I still need to make it down to check things out before you get= it in the air. Congrats on it running! Glad to hear that it is running and= starting well. I say keep it simple for now and get it flying. I know it i= s tempting to put in the A/C now as our Texas summer seems to be here early this year. Sure gets hot while = on the ground especially when it's 100 degrees outside. Are you planning on= just running the 40 amp alt, or running two?

I would be interested in seeing the A/C setup you are looking at as I have = been looking at adding one to my cozy. Not sure if the extra weight it wort= h it though.
David Moyer

On 4/11/2011 12:10 AM, Chris Barber wrote: 
Ok. First let's restrict comments on the hinky slotted bracket. It is =
two brackets bolted together to test it out. Neither was long enough so I n=
eed to buy or fabricate one.  It is working ok for now.=20

This is a alt for a Kobuto tractor. It is also shipped on the Eggenfelder s=
oob.=20
It is 40 amps to work with the stock 70 amp in the stock mount. This is wir=
ed with the Aeroelectric Z-14 schematic and is mounted on the stock air pum=
p bracket. The Mistral intake almost interfered but I held my tongue just r=
ight along with a small prayer to the builder Gawd, Comonmakeitfit, and I f=
igured it out.=20
I ran the engine (yeah, my engine is actually running) and the alt was rock=
 solid and the belt was smooth as ice.=20

I saved about 7 lbs. Before you herald me as a weight saving guru the reaso=
n I removed the old full size alternator that was mounted with a bit "=
off" Pineapple Racing alternator mount (it mounts a second alt where t=
he stock air conditioner compressor goes) is to make room for a Seamech air=
craft air conditioner. My friend owns the company and is supervising the A/=
C install.  Now if the engine just stays running as great, with really easy=
 starts, as it has been for the last few weeks.=20

I am conflicted as to install the a/c now or after 40. Local opinions vary =
with all shades of gray spoken for ;-)

Also, passed my medical this week and am schedules for unusual attitude fly=
ing on Tues and Thursday at Texas Taildraggers.  Things may be progressing.=
=20

Chris
Houston



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