X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.214] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with SMTP id 4631241 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 06 Dec 2010 14:43:46 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.214; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.91.66] by nm18.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2010 19:43:12 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.56] by tm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2010 19:43:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1056.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2010 19:43:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 480063.35968.bm@omp1056.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 15548 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2010 19:43:12 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1291664592; bh=/w1L1pPsWCASZiNFkZpxsXDKHjVXGV0c+aZOUSE0Xs0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vy+amMBNbOY38OcgacrVFHfqULyLf+w9ddJY5aJcYUhsL6SEp7Dqy30GTqfWDRufpIurMt6/KwGEHIN1HkaMRcUppz0GtpHnadgbgfdOcankZsga3vs2Ug034xxOXmfpT6wMG2CdBktXLX0Ruf3gR21lcY8c6G2Gd0kGzelDf+s= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LJr/vT0JqYNkbVG3Wkk1mUtxoYuuOjYW+gw+hVFL5ZA4ScCOdsqd4zbK81e2hB3ZMbGt05wZELCYjIXzQkriyVvF9fnVQ32ZtypXweuUkH8ACBTQDUEYWENxEAHlOQ3MYkEyDaikB0yh8nizrpBmtPZBgQuTOX+gxiclamNrbk4=; Message-ID: <329271.14547.qm@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: uxlEe1UVM1mgINmR0KX6sTY0QiJkTUm5wjHr0Kt0cXOasq9 xSiFZaHJgb_Qb.GdUSq4A.NA81zA46Hj2VBk8.nAsCOZ26B_zK3Ugrf44aPS P9IdVA1w1XABppvugUtU_ahhg.rIQ7Ydf4rzXmbrB9pNCJgepARzSiddvL4f AjKrOw1Y64GYIN0aSRaDAbKcpiCPJiRsHfrYxheDEyOqH7YB6OFoxgAz28ri HoveSTzMPacJzxBBYnhuysRfTF0U7oPF569e_2FMnxsFMdBemwS6j7SLpQEL wLEKR Received: from [208.114.37.119] by web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:43:12 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 11:43:12 -0800 (PST) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Today I am a man! To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-8481802-1291664592=:14547" --0-8481802-1291664592=:14547 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Way to go=A0Chris !!..........I=A0 (years ago) needed to learn to weld for = my=A0"Dyke =0ADelta" project (which is=0Aa weldors nightmare)..............= .The Delta was so intimidating that I choose =0Ato build a =A0"Cassutt" fir= st=A0=0Awhich is a much smaller welding job to hone my welding =0Askills...= ................I like you found Gas /=A0Oxy=0Awelding skills were relative= ly easy to pick up and surprise "Enjoyable".......I =0Ahave since also acqu= ired =0A=0Aa "Lincoln" 175 tig and=A0found this skill easy to pickup as it = is similar =0Ato=A0Gas/Oxy with a different heat=0Asource.............=0A= =0AOn a different note did you notice what your EGT reading was at 6450 rpm= and =0A34.5 MAP ??..........=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=0A=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE D= ELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2Gas/Oxy= =0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Chris Barber =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft = =0ASent: Mon, December 6, 2010 11:06:45 AM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Today I a= m a man!=0A=0A=0AWell, yesterday actually.=A0 I completed the=A0EAA=A0Sport= Air workshop yesterday on =0AWelding.=A0 While I know the Gas Oxy method i= t just a=A0BIT antiquated by all the =0Anew stuff, the class removed much o= f the mystery involved.=A0 I was amazed at the =0Aprogress made in just two= days.=A0 From dripped, blotchy beads, to "not all that =0Abad", somewhat= =A0consistent beads.=A0 =0A=0A=0AI know it is not much of a leap for many o= f y'all, but I always felt quite =0Alacking not having a base understanding= of the process (videos and books just do =0Anot breach the gap).=A0 Now I = will be looking for a=A0Tig course, or even, now with =0Aa basic comprehens= ion, even a friends input.=A0 The Velocity is not a big welded =0Acraft, bu= t there were a few things I=A0would at least have entertained, even if I = =0Awould have farmed them out anyway.=0A=0AOn the rotary front, since I=A0d= edicated a bus for just the EM2/EC2 and =0Areinstalled the units in the pla= ne (currently using=A0Rino's old unit since the =0Awiring is correct for it= ...my unit has a pin difference being a later unit), I =0Aam currently=A0NO= T=A0having my=A0tach dropping out at 6000 rpm (so far).=A0 Last night I =0A= did a quick run up after leaving from the welding class and ran up to 6450= =A0rmp =0Astatic at about 34.5 MAP.=A0 I had trouble holding it with the br= akes...and this =0Awas on rough asphalt.=A0 I hope to get out there in a bi= t and do some tuning and =0ARE-determine best cranking settings.=A0 It is s= tarting=A0quickly when cold at full =0Arich mixture.=A0=A0Gotta keep it a f= ull mixture for a few minutes till it warms.=A0 =0AHowever, it is taking qu= ite a bit of fudging around to get it to start hot.=A0 Per =0AMistral, my i= njectors are large so I think I may need to go leaner (about=A010 o' =0Aclo= ck currently) =A0when hot...or so my preliminary feeling is such.=A0 For th= ose =0Awho are not there yet, you pretty much have to start over with base = =0Amapping=A0every time you get your units back from Tracy.=A0 Of course, I= am getting =0Amuch better at it...... ;-)=0A=0AAll the best,=0A=0AChris Ba= rber=0AHouston, Texas=0AVelocity=A013b turbo with Mistral intake --0-8481802-1291664592=:14547 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Way to go Chris !!..........I  (years ago= ) needed to learn to weld for my "Dyke Delta" project (which is
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a weldors nightmare)...............The Delta was so intimidating th= at I choose to build a  "Cassutt" first 
=0A
which is a = much smaller welding job to hone my welding skills...................I like= you found Gas / Oxy
=0A
welding skills were relatively easy = to pick up and surprise "Enjoyable".......I have since also acquired
= =0A
a "Lincoln" 175 tig and found this skill easy to pickup as it = is similar to Gas/Oxy with a different heat
=0A
source.......= ......
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On a different note did you notice = what your EGT reading was at 6450 rpm and 34.5 MAP ??..........  =    
 
=0A

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2Gas/Oxy
"MISTRAL"_Backp= late/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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=0AFrom: Chris Barber <cbarber@texa= sattorney.net>
To: Ro= tary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Mon, December 6, 2010 11:06:45 AM=
Subject: [FlyRotary] To= day I am a man!

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Well, yesterday actually.  I completed the EAA Sport Air workshop yesterday on Welding.=   While I know the Gas Oxy method it just a BIT antiquated by all= the new stuff, the class removed much of the mystery involved.  I was= amazed at the progress made in just two days.  From dripped, blotchy = beads, to "not all that bad", somewhat consistent beads. 
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I know it is not much of a= leap for many of y'all, but I always felt quite lacking not having a base = understanding of the process (videos and books just do not breach the gap).=   Now I will be looking for a Tig course, or even, now with a basic comprehension, even a friend= s input.  The Velocity is not a big welded craft, but there were a few= things I would at least have entertained, even = if I would have farmed them out anyway.
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On= the rotary front, since I dedicated a bus for just the EM2/EC2 and reinstalled the units in the plane (currently using Rino's<= A rel=3Dnofollow> old unit since the wiring is co= rrect for it...my unit has a pin difference being a later unit), I am curre= ntly NOT having my tach dropping out at 6000 rpm (so far).  Last night I did a quick r= un up after leaving from the welding class and ran up to 6450 rmp static at about 34.5 MAP.  I h= ad trouble holding it with the brakes...and this was on rough asphalt. = ; I hope to get out there in a bit and do some tuning and RE-determine best= cranking settings.  It is starting quickly= when cold at full rich mixture.  Gotta keep it a full mixture for a few minutes till it warms= .  However, it is taking quite a bit of fudging around to get it to st= art hot.  Per Mistral, my injectors are large so I think I may need to= go leaner (about 10 o' clock currently)  when hot...or so my pre= liminary feeling is such.  For those who are not there yet, you pretty= much have to start over with base mapping every time you get your units back from Tracy.  Of course, I am getting muc= h better at it...... ;-)
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All the best,=0A
 
=0A
Chris Barber
=0A
Houston, Texas=0A
Velocity 13b turb= o with Mistral intake
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