X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.198.205] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with SMTP id 4555935 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 22:27:27 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.142.198.205; envelope-from=ceengland@bellsouth.net Received: (qmail 96395 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2010 02:26:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1288924012; bh=ODNzncPJ8ZUEBz/CCd2FNQ3WbC+hJOXsiLxqsxDaHn8=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=Xn4PiOJ64WOnMCYwp5Z57ZkMIKbGqw6Ojxa6tOVHk1UMvwibjSJoCCNcpJKNNGbv4TMgKRBIngvwpUNw/MRpznMjWIKGJWg+xGfoJTO0B2CJ3+8k3920x4P72FUUE4F7ohnvlD1+VSkNIkQ5And2oQ0c2Q+JHyKCRjYuxrhuUZ8= Received: from [192.168.10.5] (ceengland@98.95.178.148 with plain) by smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Nov 2010 19:26:52 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: uXJ_6LOswBCr8InijhYErvjWlJuRkoKPGNeiuu7PA.5wcGoy X-YMail-OSG: qonk_8cVM1m.fjplpMFFXh165rgDUEgS3B3SpX1EwV3pdlr n2Zmc8r3GdIVuDLzthsHTOcEkB0gm78_jb7asS2AVEK2EBUfebJunYpF3dWW 0uoNa0HWwzqHiOjmlYg1IvJNv7_rQcNURSGo7dNHwRoDwx.Nb68dRF668L4K A6Hd2ZjKhOwhc2LD3nGVmL.EZ8zUI1uVXJZMi5r68Xwk1ynEXSDIECd9C3GU b8SIeU0NAJ3yZBDv5BSoSBBQVr3jJdRZmGirLdMdYc8fCyaWrzBQovEos13T HBQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4CD36B7B.4050003@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 21:27:07 -0500 From: Charlie England User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: My favorite takeaway from the KY flyin: potential efficiency improvement References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060101080505040000060507" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060101080505040000060507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many thanks, Steve. I'll get it to work where I've got access to Excel (only have Open Office here, & it's having a hard time with the formatting. Charlie On 11/4/2010 3:36 PM, Steven W. Boese wrote: > Charlie and others, > > I've attached an EXCEL file which may have answers to the questions Charlie presented. > > In particular, the information may be of interest to those tuning their mixture correction tables in the staging region. There is also data that would be of interest to those using fuel flow rate or fuel totalizing instrumentation that is based on injector pulse integration. > > Steve Boese > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Charlie England > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:10 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] My favorite takeaway from the KY flyin: potential efficiency improvement > > The thing that made the biggest impression on me wasn't the > (excellent) SAG research, but a little tidbit shared by Doug during his > dyno presentation. It, like the SAG question, didn't have a final > answer, but I suspect that it has the potential for improved cruise > efficiency. > > Doug mentioned that they saw the repeatable effect of increased power > when they disabled *either* the leading or trailing injectors. I have my > own idea about why they saw that, but I'm hopeful that there will be > some discussion& eventually, a proven way to increase cruise efficiency. > > Questions for Doug& Steve: > When this was tested, did measured fuel flow change when the injector > pair was disabled& rpm went up? > Did you by any chance try to duplicate the effect while in cruise flight > by flying on 1 pair of injectors? > > As I mentioned to Steve in a hurried conversation Sunday morning, I have > a suspicion of why it's happening but I'd like to see more research. If > the effect turns out to be consistent across multiple installations, > there could be an easy efficiency improvement on the table, waiting to > be picked up& used. > > Charlie > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --------------060101080505040000060507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many thanks, Steve. I'll get it to work where I've got access to Excel (only have Open Office here, & it's having a hard time with the formatting.

Charlie

On 11/4/2010 3:36 PM, Steven W. Boese wrote:
Charlie and others,

I've attached an EXCEL file which may have answers to the questions Charlie presented.

In particular, the information may be of interest to those tuning their mixture correction tables in the staging region.  There is also data that would be of interest to those using fuel flow rate or fuel totalizing instrumentation that is based on injector pulse integration.

Steve Boese



-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Charlie England
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:10 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] My favorite takeaway from the KY flyin: potential efficiency improvement

  The thing that made the biggest impression on me wasn't the
(excellent) SAG research, but a little tidbit shared by Doug during his
dyno presentation. It, like the SAG question, didn't have a final
answer, but I suspect that it has the potential for improved cruise
efficiency.

Doug mentioned that they saw the repeatable effect of increased power
when they disabled *either* the leading or trailing injectors. I have my
own idea about why they saw that, but I'm hopeful that there will be
some discussion & eventually, a proven way to increase cruise efficiency.

Questions for Doug & Steve:
When this was tested, did measured fuel flow change when the injector
pair was disabled & rpm went up?
Did you by any chance try to duplicate the effect while in cruise flight
by flying on 1 pair of injectors?

As I mentioned to Steve in a hurried conversation Sunday morning, I have
a suspicion of why it's happening but I'd like to see more research. If
the effect turns out to be consistent across multiple installations,
there could be an easy efficiency improvement on the table, waiting to
be picked up & used.

Charlie
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