Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #52781
From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Finite Amplitude Wave was Sausage Re: EM2 Numbers
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:16:43 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Lynn, 

I've been thinking for a while now that going with a tangential muffler wasn't the best choice for a p-port motor.  It definitely produces more HP than the side port, but not as much as I had expected.  Maybe the exhaust system is the problem.  Good thing that I can tig weld.  ;-)
 
Based on what you've just said, I suppose the p-port isn't the best motor for turbo-charging?  

Looks like I need to get busy ordering some inconel tubing.  The problem will be fitting it under the cowl.  As I recall, ideal exhaust runner length is 31".  Is this for a specific narrow rpm range or will this work from 4500 rpm - 7500 rpm?  Would I need a different runner length for 6500 rpm?  What diameter tubing works best?

Thanks,
Mark





On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:29 PM, <Lehanover@aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 10/31/2010 11:31:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eanderson@carolina.rr.com writes:
Thanks for the credit, Bill, but not certain I used the "Sausage" ideal.  Regardless,  it is true we are dealing with pulses of energy in the intake - so you could think of those as the links in the string of a sausage. 
The periphery port engine is more profoundly affected by its exhaust system than is the side port engine.
 
In the side port, the port is actually closed off by the sides of the rotor. The overlap period is short. The Renesis actually has zero overlap (Intake and exhaust open and connected). So thinking like a piston engine, with reflected waves and such works out fine. Not the case for the periphery port engine.
 
The periphery port engine tunes more like a really high strung dirt bike. Where you might change mufflers (actually tuning devices) for different tracks or conditions. There is a long overlap period. The intake and exhaust are free flowing and the connection is free of sharp angles. In a side port installation, you might get away with a poor car like exhaust system. On a periphery port engine anything short of a free flowing header is going to cost plenty of HP. Tuning if possible at all, will be difficult. Changes in intake length may make little difference. Until, the exhaust is up to code. 
 
You have two or 3 single rotor engines sharing a muffler, and a crank. The conditions in the muffler must be kept identical for each engine, lest one or the other be dragging in some RPM range. The easy way to do this is to collect the identical length headers before the muffler. There you are, identical conditions for each engine.
 
Dyno it with the aircraft system installed, or, don't bother.
 
The first time I got the headers right, the driver said the rear end was broken. Spinning only the left rear. He could see the smoke leaving tight corners. It was a Speedway Quick change with a spool. Nothing was broken. The right side was spinning as well, he just couldn't see it. Feels greasy he said.
 
Request a Viking departure. (With proper oil and fuel pick ups of course).
 
Lynn E. Hanover 

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