X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mx2.netapp.com ([216.240.18.37] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with ESMTPS id 4552107 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 10:59:52 -0400 Received-SPF: softfail receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.240.18.37; envelope-from=echristley@nc.rr.com X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.58,282,1286175600"; d="scan'208";a="476499977" Received: from smtp1.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.156.124]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2010 07:58:57 -0700 Received: from [10.62.16.147] (ernestc-laptop.hq.netapp.com [10.62.16.147]) by smtp1.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id oA2EwuVo022738 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CD0272A.5080502@nc.rr.com> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 10:58:50 -0400 From: Ernest Christley Reply-To: echristley@nc.rr.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100623) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EM2 Numbers References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Al Gietzen wrote: > > No, we sure didn't. In fact, I like going faster than my wallet can=20 > keep up. > > Yeah; me tooJ > > In doing some searching for LDmax for the Lancair ES, I read the=20 > statement that best economy would be the same as best glide. That=20 > makes sense to me. Probably close enough for our purposes. What say you= ? > > I found my data. I think it may be just a bit more complicated. Best=20 > glide will likely give you the lowest fuel burn rate (gph); but since=20 > you=92re going fewer miles in an hour; it=92s not the best mpg. My best= =20 > glide speed is about 90 kts; but my best mpg is about 130kts - quite=20 > flat from about 140 =96 120 kts. The burn rate was continuing to go dow= n=20 > at 110 kts; which was as far as I took data. > > So minimum trip cost is at max MPG; if you consider your time as free. = > But my plane seems to have a =91sweet=92 spot at 5500-5700 rpm, and at = > 10,500 I can go about 170 KTAS at a tad over 10 gph, so that=92s what I= =20 > do. I could slow to 130 Kts and burn a tad under 7.0 gph; but would I=20 > be happyJ? > > Al > And just one more factor to keep everyone confused or the conversation=20 going, whichever way you want to take it. The M in that MPG is the is=20 the miles of air your crossing...not the miles of ground. With a=20 tailwind, you'll want to pull the throttle back a little more and let=20 Mother Nature do some of the work of getting you to the destination. If=20 you've got a headwind, you're constantly being pushed backwards. Every=20 extra second in the air requires more energy to get back the headway=20 that was lost, so it makes sense to add some power and force your way=20 through it quickly. How much to add or back off? Don't ask me. There some computer=20 programmers at the major airlines making really good bank trying to=20 figure that one out 8*) (It also might make sense to fly at a higher altitude with more of a=20 headwind, because the thinner air offers less drag. The solution to that = one is also left as an exercise for the reader 8*)