X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm17-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([98.139.53.208] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with SMTP id 4551309 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 01 Nov 2010 20:49:51 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.53.208; envelope-from=ceengland@bellsouth.net Received: from [98.139.52.188] by nm17.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2010 00:49:10 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.175] by tm1.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2010 00:49:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1058.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2010 00:49:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 381368.62004.bm@omp1058.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 87669 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2010 00:49:10 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1288658950; bh=80H1MBrHq6BKYU1ieLlY2h37pSlECa0bcrUB8PZJajU=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KlPscId5oKgOHM3RTJNh1F39mk/F4A8y6rDAkT8bbiNGJCR4DHalk71y+34M3SL7oMMcQoEQcD2PPcdViMifrM7ongzBKz2v3H5Ii2qM36CR2S9yx7RSdJVrJW0Ci8wX7csqvCmy1yrPXDug6t2G+ax9bamuAip+5PbYFMiLJWs= Received: from [192.168.10.5] (ceengland@98.95.178.148 with plain) by smtp105.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Nov 2010 17:49:10 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: uXJ_6LOswBCr8InijhYErvjWlJuRkoKPGNeiuu7PA.5wcGoy X-YMail-OSG: rkAn30wVM1mJGfN_EFT6cX4GZrEtqmxctgY1CpncheQidz8 CZF16RIJ1tzaPNsjIzVL_liOol9mEHlqMezuPy.TVspRQn3.iBOrs0e9wvmq TB.h1fGLMrqer56tDZXEq3wS5Tc4IqUvGjfJ_6uI1WqLbyONyNt1cEcqbakk M6BJ0Qj4NI1jVeYdrBDQgO7Rso1.5CNxL9HdeDzhONbbJi5vpeUVFeJte7UY L X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4CCF6034.3050707@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 19:49:56 -0500 From: Charlie England User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Vne is the question was Re: How fast is it safe to turn a Prop. Opinion Poll References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 11/1/2010 3:36 PM, John Slade wrote: > That's interesting. > In the canard world, VNE is based on IAS - i.e. the speed with which > the air molecules are hitting the airframe. > We establish VNE by doing flutter tests (whacking the stick forward, > back and side to side to check that the oscillation is self-canceling, > then increasing by 5 kts and trying it again.) > I wonder why backwards airplanes would be different. > John It's unlikely that there's any difference. What's more likely is that most canard drivers are like most 'normal' a/c drivers (including me): They missed that memo. Just about every RV-x driver I've ever talked to thought that VNE was based on IAS, until Van published that article. (That would include me.) What I've heard from people that *did* know, was that most homebuilts historically haven't flown high enough for the difference spread between IAS & TAS to matter, so the subject just didn't come up. Turbocharging, massively overpowered power/weight ratios (think Harmon Rocket), etc that have started allowing really high altitude operation have changed that a bit. :-) FWIW, Charlie