Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #52627
From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
Subject: Re: Oil pressure norms
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 08:29:30 -0700 (PDT)
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
    Chris I believe Lynn suggests using not less than a single weight 40 wt and preferably
a auto racing oil that has less tendency for foaming which is one of the problems "Mistral"
had when using aircraft oil in their "Piper" test ship...............With the temps you have in
southern Texas that 50 wt should work very well.............
  

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo




From: ben haas <stol83001@live.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sat, October 23, 2010 10:08:06 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil pressure norms

There is your difference in pressure.... Go back to the 50 weight and the pressure will increase to past levels.

Ben Haas
www.haaspowerair.com



 

To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net
From: cbarber@texasattorney.net
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:46:40 +0000
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil pressure norms

Kelly, that is a great point.  I happened to use Royal Purple 50 before based on what I think I read Tracy uses, now for some wild hair reason, (perhaps cuz it was in stock) I know I used 30.  Hmmm?
 
Chris

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of Kelly Troyer [keltro@att.net]
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 9:43 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil pressure norms

Chris 55 to 60 psi at 6200 seems a little low to me..............I would think 70 to 80 psi
would be closer to normal...........Did you by any chance replace your oil with some
of a lower viscosity after your regulator repair ?...........What was your psi at 6200
before the regulator worked loose ?..............
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Back-plate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo



From: Chris Barber <cbarber@texasattorney.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sat, October 23, 2010 9:05:04 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Oil pressure norms

As you may remember, a couple of weeks ago I lost most oil pressure.  I dropped the pan and found the problem.  I safety wired the culprit up and put my engine back together and back on the back of the Velocity and cranked her up and got significant oil pressure as expected.  I could see it pumping freely out a hose I left open when I cranked the starter with pumps/coils/injectors off earlier.
 
Now, my question is, what is considered correct oil pressure at different power settings?  Before when I ran the engine at idle (on my engine, usually 1500 - 1650 rpm, my oil pressure would be around 33-35 psi.  I remember this cuz, on my EM2 it is preset to start flashing an alert if the oil pressure goes below 35 psi, so I was always bumping up the idle a bit to keep it from flashing the alert.
 
Now, however, it seems that at about the same RPM I am getting only about 30 ish PSI at the same RPM and have to rev up to about 2200 rpm to get the pressure to 35 or above.  IIRC, when I apply power to about 6200 rpm the pressure goes up to the mid 50's or a little more...maybe hitting 60.
 
I had thought I read somewhere that the EM2 was set to alert on oil at 30, but Tracy has had my unit a couple/few times, so I am thinking the 35 must be correct for low pressure.
 
I am still sorting some final engine details out and this was noticed. 
 
It does seem I have mostly gotten my hot start process worked out.  No prime, mixture at about 2:30 and a few rotations it sputters alive.  I think I had been flooding it before.  I also have to turn off the fans as the extra energy seems to be needed to get it to spark up.  I do think I need to replace my batteries as I have kinda beat the hell out of these two.  Cold start has never been much of a problem.  Usually 4-6 primes and a bit of mixture advance and it is usually good, throttle about half way open, then pull back to idle once it engages.
 
Perhaps I am killing the engine now with the different oil pressure, (new filter, new oil) but the engine seems to be running damn strong otherwise.  Pretty cool now that the temps are only in the low 90's.  I can bring power up for much longer now that ramp temps are not in the 120's.
 
ONE hose did have a small flap inside.  I corrected this before I sent the hoses off to be pressure tested....fwiw.
 
As with many things, especially it seems with this engine, my only consistency is inconsistency.
 
Back to the internet to see what else I can find out.
 
All the best,
 
Chris
Houston, GSOT
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