Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #52504
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Propeller design.
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 10:23:27 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Yes, a radially different concept for Prop design.  I remember when the bi-plane picked up something like a 20 MPH increase in speed with Lipps prop - it had us all drooling to think that perhaps we could gain a 10 MPH increase with our RV aircraft.  Unfortunately, in the one example I am somewhat familiar with when put on an Rv-6 the outcome was somewhat disappointing - I think it was a gain of only about 1-2 MPH.
 
Now in all fairness, Paul's admits his design approach is dependent on somewhat untradiational accuracy in engine HP and drag of the platform information - which may have been lacking in this first attempt.  However, since there has not been a flood of aircraft with the Lipps prop, I'm inclined to believe that it has not yet reach the promise that first seemed likely.
 
While folks can point to the 20 mph increase in the bi plane's performance, I can't help but wonder if perhaps the original prop on the bi plane may have been a poor choice whereupon replacing it with the Lipps (better matched) make the performance gain seem all related to the Lipps prop rather than replacing what may have been a poor original choice - but, just spectulation on my part.
 
I really wanted to see the Lipps prop deliver all it initially seemed to promise, but I can't find any data yet to support its initial promise - at least on the type platforms and speeds we normally fly.  It’s the first really different approach to prop design I've seen since - well, since the Wright brothers {:>)
 
If anybody has a source for information that indicates my impression is incorrect regarding its performance on Rv type aircraft (or similar), I would like to receive it.
 
Thanks
 
Ed

Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 9:53 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Propeller design.

 
I sat through a talk by Paul Lipps at Gene Nevada at the alternative engine seminar put on by Contact Magazine several years ago.
 
He flew in his home built, with his propeller. Its outer blades were the size of a 12" ruler. Imagine model sail plane wings, or bread knife blades. He placed split tennis balls on the tips so guests did not stab themselves on the blades.
 
Later, he helped a guy design new wings for a biplane racer, and those wings looked just like his propeller
blades. It had a 4 bladed Lipps propeller as well.
 
Not mentioned was the low wetted area of the blades would allow greater span with less drag. The high angle of attack at the root allowed playing card sized cooling inlets.
 
In the event of failed engine his prop has less than a 3rd of the frontal area of a conventional prop.
Not exactly full feathering, but better than anything else.
 
So, if the blade has less drag for each unit of lift, then you could add span until you get close to the ground, and then add blade count until you have accounted for all of the available HP. Then you port the rotary to get more HP.
 
Warning, looking at a Lipps propeller blade may hurt your mind......................
 
 
Lynn E. Hanover
 
 
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