Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #52449
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Sam Hodges Prop area comparison
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 09:57:16 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Hi Doug,
 
A three bladed prop would certainly remove any questions about sufficient ground clearance.
 
I flew with a 76 " prop on my RV-6A for about 1 year and you are correct it does not leave but approx 4-5" in my case between tip and ground.  Taking one inch off makes it 6.
 
  I have been in and out of many grass strips, but always make it a soft field landing keeping the hose gear out of gopher holes as long a possible.  Flying off of hard surface didn't present any problem
 
 I once (and that's more than enough) dropped it in from approx  14-16  feet one time right after installing the new prop 76x88 - hard enough to bend the main gear and drag the tail on the bounce (Did I mention I had the stick sucked to my  backbone) -- a direct result of failing to go up to altitude with my new 76 " prop and do stall testing and low speed flight with various power variations.
 
It turns out,  that having only previously flown with a 68x72 with my 2.17:1 gear box, I was totally unprepared for the airbrake action of the much larger prop when I pulled it completely back lower than 2200 engine rpm.  I must have lost 20 mph in about 2-3 seconds and way too high before touch down.  Due to the much higher "roll" forces with the larger prop I had encountered on take off, I hesitated to apply full emergency power - worried about it rolling the aircraft that near stall speed - until the matter was taken out of my hands.
 
I suspect I took the correct action (stick full back) not due to any savy piloting skills, but because I had my brand new $1500 prop on the nose {:>)
 
I later replaced the gear and both had been bent by the impact and replaced the rudder eyebolts where the impact of the bottom of the rudder with the runway caused the bearing races to jam - but the prop was undamaged.  It was cheaper to replace the main gear than it would have been to replace the prop, but not by much.
 
Perhaps needless to say (but, I will) , when you put a new prop on your bird - go up to altitude and make certain you know what it does near stall speed.
 
Ed

Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 11:57 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Sam Hodges Prop area comparison

Ed Wrote:
 
"When He put my 74x88 Performance Prop on he got as high as 6100 rpm one time but each time got at least 6000 rpm...".
 
Sam's prop actually measured 76 inches long (if I remember right) which is quite a bit longer than I would want to run on a nose gear equipped RV.  A 76" prop leaves very little clearance off the ground and will undoubtedly result in a considerable amount of blade tip erosion over time.  
 
If my IVO prop doesn't really work out I think I will give the CATO 3 blade version a try since there are quite a few RVers flying it and it will get the tips off the ground a bit more...at a cost of a couple knots of top end of course!
 
Doug Lomheim
RV-9A, FWF / Canopy
OK City  
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