X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from web83903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com ([69.147.92.101] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.9) with SMTP id 4491586 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 19:02:01 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=69.147.92.101; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: (qmail 71286 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2010 23:01:27 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1286146887; bh=/QtWpR6uSpSWGvXE3Nm3Te/6CvRX4szDxSd4HLQ/wvk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=n/xavHSrblTvcDiTyUyn31qMmPd4lmjrNmbuWmpgmhi0gic330u3vAeZcJazXXk5AoCoWFz6eAz5ymqQ1xsQHdFlbLM90WssvX2XqAdnuRNIbvGam2ykYnyFSMxF3LY6q5VAoPXPNBF28K7JOvXjYqcnfGs6TzC3UFpyuH8pp30= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JUN5IwbgZZb7eBdxd1jCGRxdHMZMQ6xFxFNNlBFydpKM+xP00iVMgPsQNE3nm0Um9oYizw7L7I5YZRJn9f7YJoS6vewEsoNSg7txw6KMbXU7xM1Zh9+Tk8M08tDeTsaM6GqcR7+faJwlqqYl/JyPTOJcWV27thlWbKj4Dka4uJk=; Message-ID: <67664.68709.qm@web83903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6VahnD8VM1mfkJ9wMdwxR0kaEO.N8aQzxWiQBpRTfM_IgwA HoU_NQ7TEGL6ABd_r0jWUczn7et86RESMW3c1yBzefzI97OTUx3Ne_Q1W3BS It57JhYRAoFJgFC0OdSicIGuA8ZNB8Z50rRI35wAvDx1WkkCACMlA02.OZ7P eaIv7hgyNGEovWBmiNuyIz5w2BNOxzA_4_R02S5FUwl3fZtFx9_h55ejut9v ZDhEoxOPV3MidUnkd5OFxe.H70OC1Zz6sQ8oznnxrqUDSC8HoElkwSowMlGx 0DjO78syDnVYlzSW4KfThMS6ZYfiC826JwNm_ Received: from [208.114.45.69] by web83903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 16:01:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/497 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 16:01:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: Smoking Gun -Loss of oil pressure To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-151933125-1286146886=:68709" --0-151933125-1286146886=:68709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable George,=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Correct.............Mistral's oil = pump impellor body utilized two separate =0Atubes to feed=0Athe pump rotors= ..........I never knew the exact reasoning for it other than to =0Ahelp pre= vent=0Aor reduce oil foaming................When I purchased my "Backplate"= I also =0Aobtained their=0Apump body and the dual tube pickup.............= =C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTAR= Y"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBO= NETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:= George Lendich =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Sun, October 3, 2010 5:26:24 PM=0ASubject= : [FlyRotary] Re: Smoking Gun -Loss of oil pressure=0A=0A=EF=BB=BF =0ALynn,= =0AI'm with you on that memory thing, sadly my memory has never been that g= ood to =0Astart with.=0A=C2=A0=0AI digress -=C2=A0again.=C2=A0 I spoke to G= ordon at Mistral and they felt that the pick-up =0Awas causing a vortex, pu= lling in air, that would account for foaming. I can't =0Aquite remember but= didn't they use a 2 tube arrangement, you mention feeding the =0Arear roto= r?=0AQuestion what is the FD twin turbo?=0AI didn't know about the flat scr= een in the baffle plate, I just thought it was a =0Abigger screen, I don't = know why I thought that.=0A=C2=A0=0AWhy was Mistral having these problems, = they weren't running the engines hard or =0Aexpecting too high HP from them= .=0AWhy is it no one else is having these problems OR should they be antici= pating =0Aproblems.=0AGeorge (down under)=0A=C2=A0=0AI hope to hear from Ly= nn on a theory as to why this valve fell out of the engine =0Aand what the = =E2=80=9Cracers solution=E2=80=9D might be.=C2=A0 This must not be a common= occurrence.=C2=A0 =0AIf it was, engines would be blowing themselves up rig= ht and left.=0A=C2=A0=0A>>Bill B=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>This usually caused by the p= hone ringing.=0A>=0A>=C2=A0Later in life you find that no phone is needed t= o loose track of what you just =0A>did a minute ago. So as soon as you unde= rstand that you cannot hold a thought in =0A>your head or mine, you revert = to little helpers. If you have to stop, leave the =0A>socket on the last th= ing you did. So if you go out back and whiz, and on your =0A>return you see= the socket stuck to the plunger cover, it will remind you that it =0A>need= s finished. Be sure the socket is so tall that the pan will not fit onto th= e =0A>engine, lest you have no oil pressure and a missing socket. It also h= elps me to =0A>talk out loud as though you were showing a novice how this i= s supposed to go =0A>together. This helps get strangers interested in whate= ver you are doing because =0A>they think you are talking to them. After a w= hile they=C2=A0 discover that you are an =0A>idiot, with no memory at all, = and walk off disgusted. I have met many like =0A>minded (you might say) fol= ks doing this. =0A>=0A>=0A>I have never seen a properly torqued cover fall = off, so it must have been the =0A>phone.=0A>=0A>Lynn E. Hanover --0-151933125-1286146886=:68709 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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George,
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     = Correct.............Mistral's oil pump impellor body utilized two separate= tubes to feed
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the pump rotors..........I never knew the exact= reasoning for it other than to help prevent
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or reduce oil foa= ming................When I purchased my "Backplate" I also obtained their=0A
pump body and the dual tube pickup............. 
 =
=0A

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" = (Eventually)

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"13B ROTARY"_ Engine"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONET= ICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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=0AFrom: George Lendich <lendich@aanet.com.au>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net>
Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 5:26:24 PM
= Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Smoking Gun -Loss of oil pressure

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Lynn,
=0A
I'm with you on t= hat memory thing, sadly my memory has never been that good to start with.
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=0A
= I digress - again.  I spoke to Gor= don at Mistral and they felt that the pick-up was causing a vortex, pulling= in air, that would account for foaming. I can't quite remember but didn't = they use a 2 tube arrangement, you mention feeding the rear rotor?
=0A
Question what is the FD twin turb= o?
=0A
I didn't know about t= he flat screen in the baffle plate, I just thought it was a bigger screen, = I don't know why I thought that.
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<= FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2 face=3DArial> 
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= Why was Mi= stral having these problems, they weren't running the engines hard or expec= ting too high HP from them.
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Why is it no one else is having these problems OR should they be anticip= ating problems.
=0A
George (d= own under)
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=  
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I hope to hear from Lynn on a th= eory as to why this valve fell out of the engine and what the =E2=80=9Crace= rs solution=E2=80=9D might be.  This must not be a common occurrence.&= nbsp; If it was, engines would be blowing themselves up right and left.
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Bill B

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This usually caused by the phone ringing.
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&nb= sp;
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 Later in life you find that no phone is needed to lo= ose track of what you just did a minute ago. So as soon as you understand t= hat you cannot hold a thought in your head or mine, you revert to little he= lpers. If you have to stop, leave the socket on the last thing you did. So = if you go out back and whiz, and on your return you see the socket stuck to= the plunger cover, it will remind you that it needs finished. Be sure the = socket is so tall that the pan will not fit onto the engine, lest you have = no oil pressure and a missing socket. It also helps me to talk out loud as = though you were showing a novice how this is supposed to go together. This = helps get strangers interested in whatever you are doing because they think= you are talking to them. After a while they  discover that you are an= idiot, with no memory at all, and walk off disgusted. I have met many like= minded (you might say) folks doing this.
=0A
 
=0AI have never seen a properly torqued cover fall off, so it must have been = the phone.
=0A
 
=0A
Lynn E. Hanover
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