X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from smtp101.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([67.195.15.60] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.9) with SMTP id 4491221 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 09:33:48 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=67.195.15.60; envelope-from=ceengland@bellsouth.net Received: (qmail 77191 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2010 13:33:12 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1286112792; bh=Q3HR69G2eXTO0Ceu+GCDOMroa/re9MlGLPG1MmskPYg=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3Iy5pTWrOL/j8VvU+mgBWcRB+M7soCXxUiJDKXmZDUp5Jx4Rzj8+5WH/GDC0mKkjwtEFswKxxvGkftlteHAiX8vvzoaVUFpvlNzN2dIZo+wcOdtCET8ckCJnMZg243NLUO2hz1zkIUnIbb1RUzkwd6Pc/VJHh/mRICXPkDuIjM4= Received: from [192.168.10.5] (ceengland@74.240.18.106 with plain) by smtp101.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Oct 2010 06:33:12 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: uXJ_6LOswBCr8InijhYErvjWlJuRkoKPGNeiuu7PA.5wcGoy X-YMail-OSG: 95nLp.4VM1mvxf6xu8B5rslfVPitzyg6qARxia6lHc8OFeV 0qmA8C9CVAgKjdz7hcoPVYbyAIlJESJUa6xw4eWeP_of0VMEZIbofkUjkIPq zpi7jzjg8uxCaN6G.gG6IpyOeUGzuKeiUZ4mhFFAH1NfQbGnP1oeY9ntvJbm N5X68Jnj6EiWKC1PHi1GkKSsJIV4375LF62lyRT7oT.Okndh2nxksm.Ss103 QeYZsPlMawopyVwmIes32PedpkssOBCBxiUvzs7eTh9onilMGSdnER2PhPE9 II6oa80PW X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4CA8862B.5070508@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 08:33:31 -0500 From: Charlie England User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Simple Dyno References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 10/3/2010 6:54 AM, Lehanover@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/3/2010 2:04:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > echristley@nc.rr.com writes: > >> Has there been a compilation of data from folks spinning various >> sizes of fence posts with known HP engines? Results corrected to >> sea level standard day and all of that? >> Where did this come from? >> Thank you. >> Lynn E. Hanover > I think I've been monitoring this list since forever. I posted a > message concerning this technique on Monday, September 11, 2006 > 9:02 AM. > > At that time, I had lost the equation information, and I'm very > happy to see them come around again. More detailed equations are > in the alt.rec.aviation.homebuilt newsgroup, if anyone can find an > archive somewhere that dates back before 2006. I'm pretty sure > that it included correction for standard atmosphere, but I haven't > been able to find it. > > LE Hanover wrote: > > Here is a simple mechanism for reducing readings to some standard so > that HP readings from any source (that had also been corrected to sea > level standard day) can be accurately compared. > http://www.csgnetwork.com/relhumhpcalc.html > Way back when I had a Stuska Dynamometer I used big graphs to pull off > the SAE correction data. No computers back then. I talked to "Ohio" > George Montgomery (famous racer back then) who built a killer 33 > Anglia drag car, about some problems I had getting past a development > point. He said connect the dots on your SAE graphs and you will see > that the published results are boxed in several areas. And so it was. > 95% of those dots were on a straight line. So I got a 48" steel ruler > and drew that line omitting the aberrations. No more problems. Thank > you SAE. > I had my inlet air temperature bulb inside the air cleaner. I had a > weather station beside the dyno. I had a wet bulb sling psychrometer. > (because it came with the dyno) The kind you swing around your head. > Now they are digital and just spin around a little handle. But, like > building my first flow bench, I started getting smart real quick. > You may not know this, bet there is a solid silver fence post in the > cellar at the National Bureau of Standards in a velvet lined box, In > its center, an SAE-2 bolt pattern. kept at a constant 68 degrees. Its > length measured twice per week with a CO2 laser. Cooler you know. > doesn't change the length. You can see it with special permission. You > must wear a moon suit, so the air in the vault room is not affected by > your visit. No pictures please. The seemingly sharp edges actually > have a radius. Verified by the annual electron beam sweep, and > collection of Gamma ray backscatter. > It is worth the trip. The old guy who is in charge of that thing has > the formulas in his head. He knew Eiffel. He instructed in a Jenny. > Has a thousand stories, and loves to talk about planes. > Or, you could use fuel flow to calculate HP, and your fence post will > not kill any bugs, or worse, and its lack of airflow will not overheat > your engine. Spend the fence post building time working on the plane. > But I could be completely wrong. > Lynn E. Hanover Using Lynn's idea, make yourself a variable rpm dyno load by spending your $700, not on an AL bar, but on a manual adjust IVO prop (its highest & best use... ;-) ) Charlie