X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from smtp101.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([67.195.15.60] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.9) with SMTP id 4459840 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 16:35:45 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=67.195.15.60; envelope-from=bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net Received: (qmail 44019 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2010 20:35:08 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1283978108; bh=sLRC+n7JIbqQGq09HlzqEvC2jLQFToTK+yeMXAzLMgM=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=zBuMkl1bW1QIIZ1TzgqnXm8asWn5YcYKbU+tpzZV8AGaKdT1UB2+M3Kl/+cuCorPJFZ2oEPyPuYV9lLcKCtK0h1YgyYaIMfdxD01Cg/U7VLesU1xweAxWeNKdO+WIYJGihyrXLxraXM83XLgh+qqP+Emq+/u+SZ+yTMkiLYV5ek= Received: from acer7fbfa7e2f7 (bryanwinberry@98.88.76.154 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 08 Sep 2010 13:35:05 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: OSuEAS2swBAaBd4uKxevNivslbMG7JXpWjAWZVmoYyRm6qcW_W2VUA-- X-YMail-OSG: hGgiC18VM1kGPMdS5jl7mv.VtMit622GvUm4AsQe7ObmMGS ImUjiz_XCN_pDbE0p6m2dBBgdVp76acGRW6A.b8z4.s9sSbIOqICaPRM.537 VU3cn4CPoJSi4sStl3axBU0z02gFpgRBQQdeIR_na1Hnc4QO0nmO4m6aoNuL xNGM52wlvwq8jcx2mTBi9amL2qiSq0suvMzLk2WbvpELFwI5iPm5ivUY0j45 TTo6Q_3A0hsiYPbD.LJm9SgiaNtJYDtSpvC4puQ3Cf.Y1vYelh2JNCrRoK5l e6w59USMs0QXv X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Bryan Winberry" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 16:35:03 -0400 Message-ID: <93A7D3568E6043B287B0CB5DAEBBE1D4@acer7fbfa7e2f7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005D_01CB4F73.CAAC3D70" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: ActPja6wc1xHk61iSEGaJwNd+9iKuAAB1++w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01CB4F73.CAAC3D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd, I searched the forum and couldn't find it. I'm sure Van's folks would pass along the info. I'm waiting to hear back from Ed K regarding modifying a 6 mount that Charlie England has offered. Thanks, Bryan _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Todd Bartrim Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:40 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed Way back when I built my 9 I had a partial mount made by the same guy that builds Vans mounts. I wanted what is refered to as a "float" mount, which has the gear leg socket for both the front mains on a tail dragger and the nose gear on a trike. This is to allow me to change my gear configuration from a tail to a nose dragger or put it on floats. Van's had previously supplied a few of these to a few customers, but were also happy to just give me the phone number of the guy that builds the mounts for them. Once I talked to this guy I explained that I was using it for a rotary and that I needed to design my own engine mount but wanted the gear portion of it. He was happy to build me a partial mount that consists of all gear legs and the firewall mount. He also supplied all the tubing that I required to finish the mount. He built the mount and shipped it to Van's along with another batch then they put that in my finish kit, so I didn't even have to pay any extra for shipping. It wasn't powder coated and the gear legs weren't reamed to the final dimensions. I was very pleased with the whole thing and building the rest of the mount was another rewarding experience. I don't have the guy's name or contact info right now, but I'm certain that it can be found in the archives as I know I've given this info before. Search back at least 7 years and you should find it. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Bryan Winberry wrote: Thanks Bob, Yeah, Van's told me that the 9 gear has a different sweep than the 6/7. I need to contact Ed K about going this route. I'm guessing he prefers to build from scratch, rather than modifying an existing mount. Does anyone know of someone in the eastern US that could straighten a bent leg? Bryan _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bob Perkinson Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 11:19 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed Bryan, Ed K. didn't have the dimensions on the RV-9 engine mount at the time, and like Charlie mentioned when he contacted Van's they don't give out dimensions on the manufactured components. I decided to get a mount and gear legs pre drilled from vans. Ed took that mount and modified it. After all was said and done the mount measured out the same as that used on the RV-7, but according to Harmon Lang the gear legs are slightly longer than a 7. I am not sure what Ed charges for a complete mount. But what I do know is that Ed only used about 1/3rd of the Vans mount when he modified it. As for shipping it cost me 4 hr. drive time round trip and gas to push my F-150 270 miles. Harmon Lang has instructions on how to drill the legs on his site http://www.langair.com/ Charlie, I am using Bernie's old James cowl, and I will get back with you on the measurement to the prop flange. Bob Perkinson RV-9 13B _____ From: Bryan Winberry To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 4:42:05 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed Maybe I'm missing something, but don't you have to drill the leg positioned in the mount? If so, how can you use a drill press? _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 5:23 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed Bryan, if you decided to drill your legs, in addition to a drill press, the drill bit itself is important. I would not attempt it unless I used a quality colbalt drill bit (not carbide - too brittle). I would start off with a drill bit undersize but not smaller than 1/8" perhaps 3/16" (too small and they may wander). Then if you progressively enlarge the hold with a larger drill bit, you are more likely to drill a straight hole. You will need to drill at a slow rpm or risk burning the drill bit and hardening the metal even more. If you do not feel comfortable doing this, then the shipping charges to someone who knows what they are doing is probably cheap in the long run. I drilled my own (successfully), but, only because I could not find anyone at the time to do it for me{:>) Ed Edward L. Anderson Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC 305 Reefton Road Weddington , NC 28104 http://www.andersonee.com http://www.eicommander.com From: Bryan Winberry Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 5:12 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed That's what I wanted to do, but Ed K prefers to mount the clips undrilled. This forces me to drill the legs. But, he is apparently able to use Van's mount. Did he charge more for this approach as opposed to his preferred way? I guess shipping is more costly. I guess I need to run it by him again. I haven't bought any mount, but I really don't want to drill my legs. BW _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bob Perkinson Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 5:02 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed Bryan , The gear legs were straight from Vans. After having been ripped off by Fred Breeze (Conversion Concepts) I ordered an engine mount and matching gear legs from Vans and had Ed Klepis convert it. I had bought a pair from Harman Lang several years ago to be match drill to the CC mount, but after spending the money and not getting the mount I sold them to someone in Texas can't now remember. The only advice that I can relay is that of a machinist friend. Use a good sharp centering punch and good luck if you don't have a good drill press to mount the gear leg in. Wish I could help more. Bob Perkinson RV-9 13B _____ From: Bryan Winberry To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 4:38:41 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed Bob, Any tips on drilling your gear legs? Thanks, Bryan _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bob Perkinson Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 5:03 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Dimensional help needed Charlie, as you can see in the photo I used a laser light level to find the distance, but as you probably know the line gets somewhat thick the father you get from the source. SO you can add or subtract a 16 th. I got 4" 15/16. Ed Klepis probably has that figure in his notebook. Let me know what other numbers you come up with. Bob Perkinson RV-9 13B ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01CB4F73.CAAC3D70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Todd,

I searched the forum and = couldn’t find it.  I’m sure Van’s folks would pass along the = info.

 

I’m waiting to hear back from = Ed K regarding modifying a 6 mount that Charlie England has = offered.

 

Thanks,

=

Bryan

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Todd Bartrim
Sent: Wednesday, = September 08, 2010 3:40 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed

 

Way back when = I built my 9 I had a partial mount made by the same guy that builds Vans mounts. I = wanted what is refered to as a "float" mount, which has the gear leg = socket for both the front mains on a tail dragger and the nose gear on a trike. = This is to allow me to change my gear configuration from a tail to a nose = dragger or put it on floats. Van's had previously supplied a few of these to a few customers, but were also happy to just give me the phone number of the = guy that builds the mounts for them. Once I talked to this guy I explained that I = was using it for a rotary and that I needed to design my own engine mount = but wanted the gear portion of it. He was happy to build me a partial mount = that consists of all gear legs and the firewall mount. He also supplied all = the tubing that I required to finish the mount. He built the mount and = shipped it to Van's along with another batch then they put that in my finish kit, = so I didn't even have to pay any extra for shipping. It wasn't powder coated = and the gear legs weren't reamed to the final dimensions. I was very pleased = with the whole thing and building the rest of the mount was another rewarding experience.
   I don't have the guy's name or contact info right now, but = I'm certain that it can be found in the archives as I know I've given this = info before. Search back at least 7 years and you should find it.
 

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Bryan Winberry <bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Thanks Bob,

Yeah, Van’s told me that the 9 gear has a different = sweep than the 6/7.

I need to contact Ed K about going this route.  = I’m guessing he prefers to build from scratch, rather than modifying an existing = mount.

 

Does anyone know of someone in the eastern US that could = straighten a bent leg?

Bryan

 

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bob = Perkinson
Sent: Tuesday, September = 07, 2010 11:19 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed

 

Bryan,

Ed K. = didn't have the dimensions on the RV-9 engine mount at the time, and like Charlie = mentioned when he contacted Van's they don't give out dimensions on the = manufactured components.  I decided to get a mount and gear legs pre drilled = from vans.  Ed took that mount and modified it.  After all was said and = done the mount measured out the same as that used on the RV-7, but according to = Harmon Lang the gear legs are slightly longer than a 7.  I am not sure = what Ed charges for a complete mount.  But what I do  know is that Ed = only used about 1/3rd of the Vans mount when he modified it.  As for = shipping it cost me 4 hr. drive time round trip and gas to push my F-150 270 = miles.

Harmon Lang has instructions on how to drill the legs on his = site 

 

 

 

 

Charlie,

I am = using Bernie's old James cowl, and I will get back with you on the measurement = to the prop flange.

 

 

Bob = Perkinson

RV-9 =  13B

 

From: Bryan Winberry <bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sat, September 4, = 2010 4:42:05 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed

Maybe I’m missing something, but don’t you have = to drill the leg positioned in the mount?   If so, how can you use a drill press? 

 

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed = Anderson
Sent: Saturday, September = 04, 2010 5:23 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed

 

Bryan, if you decided to drill = your legs, in addition to a drill press, the drill bit itself is important.  I = would not attempt it unless I used a quality colbalt drill bit (not carbide - too brittle).  I would start off with a drill bit undersize = but not smaller than 1/8" perhaps 3/16" (too small and they may wander).  Then if you progressively enlarge the hold with a larger = drill bit, you are more likely to drill a straight hole.  You will need = to drill at a slow rpm or risk burning the drill bit and hardening the metal even = more.

 

If you do not feel comfortable doing this, then the shipping charges to someone = who knows what they are doing is probably cheap in the long = run.

 

I drilled my own (successfully), but, only because I could not find anyone at the = time to do it for me{:>)

 

Ed<= /p>

 

Edward L. Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton = Road
Weddington , = NC 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com=

 

From: Bryan Winberry =

Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 5:12 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed

 

That’s what I wanted to do, but Ed K prefers to mount = the clips undrilled.  This forces me to drill the legs.  But, he is = apparently able to use Van’s mount.  Did he charge more for this = approach as opposed to his preferred way?  I guess shipping is more = costly.

I guess I need to run it by him again.  I haven’t = bought any mount, but I really don’t want to drill my = legs.

BW

 

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bob = Perkinson
Sent: Saturday, September = 04, 2010 5:02 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed

 

Bryan = ,

The = gear legs were straight from Vans.  After having been ripped off by Fred Breeze (Conversion Concepts) I ordered an engine mount and matching gear legs = from Vans and had Ed Klepis convert it. I had bought a pair from Harman Lang = several years ago to be match drill to the CC mount, but after spending the = money and not getting the mount I sold them to someone in Texas can't now remember.  The = only advice that I can relay is that of a machinist friend.  Use a good = sharp centering punch and good luck if you don't have a good drill press to = mount the gear leg in.

Wish = I could help more.

 

Bob = Perkinson

RV-9 =  13B

From: Bryan Winberry <bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, September 3, = 2010 4:38:41 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed

Bob,

Any tips on drilling your gear = legs?

Thanks,

Bryan

 

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bob = Perkinson
Sent: Friday, September = 03, 2010 5:03 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Dimensional help needed

 

Charlie,<= /o:p>

as you can see in the photo I used a laser light level to find the distance, but as = you probably know the line gets somewhat thick the father you get from the = source.  SO you can add or subtract a 16 th.  I got 4" 15/16. =  Ed Klepis probably has that figure in his notebook.  Let me know what = other numbers you come up with.

 

Bob Perkinson

RV-9  13B

 

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