X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from smtp102.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([67.195.15.61] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.9) with SMTP id 4459185 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 08:46:04 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=67.195.15.61; envelope-from=bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net Received: (qmail 10073 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2010 12:45:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1283949928; bh=lEFPWWS+FOh4Jjkhxgr/6d9GTNzZaAVwh8dTBw+5TYI=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=JcknaEE++yVwzFvo9EEYpNlCoY37HUiF5Fe03xua+biGkQ0zM7E2deooYdUrj0mbGWrQIanEcvX6iR0LxreqtMuLEsgAciGP16X+qUfvUv/hqgDtlMCQSnCDcQkVPixpn2GXgObi7CTXaURlhq4E9LN99KEqflAPSaeVz9fguPk= Received: from acer7fbfa7e2f7 (bryanwinberry@98.88.76.154 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 08 Sep 2010 05:45:27 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: OSuEAS2swBAaBd4uKxevNivslbMG7JXpWjAWZVmoYyRm6qcW_W2VUA-- X-YMail-OSG: FcExdaQVM1nR1lOX4.a1rLSBJMALCQozmXUPtGv1DkwQLep tq_mVzLPwZiDeUzuC7Zq2wOd6IiCYAv286dS0P4FIcfsPg7RHY_TveZ4QsV6 FsfXDpt7IiA3Z7nRVkAm6TrK4fdPgKm6LyAI6c0xlMO_2gl_QrhcGM53h.SU 128Jsg4JL6WWyuO226W7ZCTdd4UReK_Tlrden4ecLiQrpYM.UxQin9dLM1yB FDJ9DBzwPKAdcztc_AOYEptwaNe16d.jYWivCIcxXqTNse.SN2OTfbboq7oK QfZpLdbh0ppxh X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Bryan Winberry" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:45:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1CB1D51E0C944EE1A0E9F66F77634332@acer7fbfa7e2f7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01CB4F32.2F0FB9F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: ActPBKu97zPo7veaRdOnCmDFarb9nwATnKIg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CB4F32.2F0FB9F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Bob, Yeah, Van's told me that the 9 gear has a different sweep than the 6/7. I need to contact Ed K about going this route. I'm guessing he prefers to build from scratch, rather than modifying an existing mount. Does anyone know of someone in the eastern US that could straighten a bent leg? Bryan _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bob Perkinson Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 11:19 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed Bryan, Ed K. didn't have the dimensions on the RV-9 engine mount at the time, and like Charlie mentioned when he contacted Van's they don't give out dimensions on the manufactured components. I decided to get a mount and gear legs pre drilled from vans. Ed took that mount and modified it. After all was said and done the mount measured out the same as that used on the RV-7, but according to Harmon Lang the gear legs are slightly longer than a 7. I am not sure what Ed charges for a complete mount. But what I do know is that Ed only used about 1/3rd of the Vans mount when he modified it. As for shipping it cost me 4 hr. drive time round trip and gas to push my F-150 270 miles. Harmon Lang has instructions on how to drill the legs on his site http://www.langair.com/ Charlie, I am using Bernie's old James cowl, and I will get back with you on the measurement to the prop flange. Bob Perkinson RV-9 13B _____ From: Bryan Winberry To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 4:42:05 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed Maybe I'm missing something, but don't you have to drill the leg positioned in the mount? If so, how can you use a drill press? _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 5:23 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed Bryan, if you decided to drill your legs, in addition to a drill press, the drill bit itself is important. I would not attempt it unless I used a quality colbalt drill bit (not carbide - too brittle). I would start off with a drill bit undersize but not smaller than 1/8" perhaps 3/16" (too small and they may wander). Then if you progressively enlarge the hold with a larger drill bit, you are more likely to drill a straight hole. You will need to drill at a slow rpm or risk burning the drill bit and hardening the metal even more. If you do not feel comfortable doing this, then the shipping charges to someone who knows what they are doing is probably cheap in the long run. I drilled my own (successfully), but, only because I could not find anyone at the time to do it for me{:>) Ed Edward L. Anderson Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC 305 Reefton Road Weddington , NC 28104 http://www.andersonee.com http://www.eicommander.com From: Bryan Winberry Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 5:12 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed That's what I wanted to do, but Ed K prefers to mount the clips undrilled. This forces me to drill the legs. But, he is apparently able to use Van's mount. Did he charge more for this approach as opposed to his preferred way? I guess shipping is more costly. I guess I need to run it by him again. I haven't bought any mount, but I really don't want to drill my legs. BW _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bob Perkinson Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 5:02 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed Bryan , The gear legs were straight from Vans. After having been ripped off by Fred Breeze (Conversion Concepts) I ordered an engine mount and matching gear legs from Vans and had Ed Klepis convert it. I had bought a pair from Harman Lang several years ago to be match drill to the CC mount, but after spending the money and not getting the mount I sold them to someone in Texas can't now remember. The only advice that I can relay is that of a machinist friend. Use a good sharp centering punch and good luck if you don't have a good drill press to mount the gear leg in. Wish I could help more. Bob Perkinson RV-9 13B _____ From: Bryan Winberry To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 4:38:41 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed Bob, Any tips on drilling your gear legs? Thanks, Bryan _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bob Perkinson Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 5:03 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Dimensional help needed Charlie, as you can see in the photo I used a laser light level to find the distance, but as you probably know the line gets somewhat thick the father you get from the source. SO you can add or subtract a 16 th. I got 4" 15/16. Ed Klepis probably has that figure in his notebook. Let me know what other numbers you come up with. Bob Perkinson RV-9 13B ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CB4F32.2F0FB9F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks = Bob,

Yeah, Van’s told me that the = 9 gear has a different sweep than the 6/7.

I need to contact Ed K about going = this route.  I’m guessing he prefers to build from scratch, rather = than modifying an existing mount.

 

Does anyone know of someone in the = eastern US that could straighten a bent leg?

Bryan

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bob Perkinson
Sent: Tuesday, September = 07, 2010 11:19 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed

 

Bryan,

Ed K. didn't have the dimensions on the RV-9 engine mount at the = time, and like Charlie mentioned when he contacted Van's they don't give out dimensions on the manufactured components.  I decided to get a = mount and gear legs pre drilled from vans.  Ed took that mount and modified = it.  After all was said and done the mount measured out the same as = that used on the RV-7, but according to Harmon Lang the gear legs are slightly = longer than a 7.  I am not sure what Ed charges for a complete mount. =  But what I do  know is that Ed only used about 1/3rd of the Vans mount = when he modified it.  As for shipping it cost me 4 hr. drive time round = trip and gas to push my F-150 270 miles.

Harmon Lang has instructions on how to drill the legs on his = site 

 

 

 

 

Charlie,

I am using Bernie's old James cowl, and I will get back with you = on the measurement to the prop flange.

 

 

Bob Perkinson

RV-9  13B

 

From: Bryan Winberry <bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sat, September 4, = 2010 4:42:05 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed

Maybe I’m missing something, = but don’t you have to drill the leg positioned in the mount?   If so, how = can you use a drill press? 

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Saturday, September = 04, 2010 5:23 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Dimensional help needed

 

Bryan, if you decided to drill = your legs, in addition to a drill press, the drill bit itself is important.  I = would not attempt it unless I used a quality colbalt drill bit (not carbide - too brittle).  I would start off with a drill bit undersize = but not smaller than 1/8" perhaps 3/16" (too small and they may wander).  Then if you progressively enlarge the hold with a larger = drill bit, you are more likely to drill a straight hole.  You will need = to drill at a slow rpm or risk burning the drill bit and hardening the metal even = more.

 

If you do not feel comfortable doing this, then the = shipping charges to someone who knows what they are doing is probably cheap in = the long run.

 

I drilled my own (successfully), but, only because I = could not find anyone at the time to do it for = me{:>)

 

Ed

 

Edward L. Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton = Road
Weddington , = NC 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com=

 

Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 5:12 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed

 

That’s what I wanted to do, = but Ed K prefers to mount the clips undrilled.  This forces me to drill the legs.  But, he is apparently able to use Van’s mount. =  Did he charge more for this approach as opposed to his preferred way?  I guess = shipping is more costly.

I guess I need to run it by him = again.  I haven’t bought any mount, but I really don’t want to = drill my legs.

BW

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bob Perkinson
Sent: Saturday, September = 04, 2010 5:02 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed

 

Bryan ,

The gear legs were straight from Vans.  After having been = ripped off by Fred Breeze (Conversion Concepts) I ordered an engine mount and = matching gear legs from Vans and had Ed Klepis convert it. I had bought a pair = from Harman Lang several years ago to be match drill to the CC mount, but = after spending the money and not getting the mount I sold them to someone in = Texas can't = now remember.  The only advice that I can relay is that of a machinist = friend.  Use a good sharp centering punch and good luck if you don't have a = good drill press to mount the gear leg in.

Wish I could help more.

 

Bob Perkinson

RV-9  13B

From: Bryan Winberry <bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, September 3, = 2010 4:38:41 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dimensional help needed

Bob,

Any tips on drilling your gear = legs?

Thanks,

=

Bryan

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bob Perkinson
Sent: Friday, September = 03, 2010 5:03 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Dimensional help needed

 

Charlie,

as you can see in the photo I used a laser light = level to find the distance, but as you probably know the line gets somewhat thick = the father you get from the source.  SO you can add or subtract a 16 = th.  I got 4" 15/16.  Ed Klepis probably has that figure in = his notebook.  Let me know what other numbers you come up = with.

 

Bob Perkinson

RV-9  13B

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