Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #51954
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Prop orientation with TDC
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:49:42 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Bill, having made 3 engine out landings, I can tell you that it depends on your airspeed.  In my case, with the both the 2.17 and 2.85 my prop continued to windmill with the airspeed above 110 mph - however, that was not my best glide speed.  So when I slowed it down to 87 mph for best glide, the prop in both cases was no longer windmilling - which was good as that reduced drag.
 
Regarding hand prop of the rotary - at least using Tracy Crooks EC - you simply can't do it.  The computer expects to see at least 2 revolutions of the prop at or above 150 rpm (value last time I talked to Tracy about it-it might be slightly lower limit now) before it will activate the ignition.  I just don't think you're going to able to spin it at that rate for two prop revs by hand.
 
Ed

Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Prop orientation with TDC

Can some of you more “experienced” folks tell me..does the prop windmill after the engine quits, or does it stop rotating?

 

Bill B

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Lehanover@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:29 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Prop orientation with TDC

 

In a message dated 8/22/2010 10:28:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, blake.lewis@gmail.com writes:

On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Jeff Whaley <jwhaley@datacast.com> wrote:
> What is the Rotaries best prop orientation at the prop flange relative to TDC?
> The Lycomings are typically entering the compression stroke at 11-10 o'clock and 5-4 o'clock.
> The 13B goes through 3 compression strokes per e-shaft revolution - does this predicate a 3-bladed prop is the ideal match?
> Jeff

The orientation idea comes from the older 4 cylinder airplane engines that had to be hand started. So the position of the blade made a difference in that the person starting the engine needed a good body position to start out. It was also a good idea, because in the event of an engine stoppage, that very same position had the prop near horizontal, and that kept a blade from digging in on landing.

 

In the rotary powered craft, the engine will be at TDC twice per crank shaft rotation (for a two rotor) so, 2 times the reduction ratio tells you how many times it gets to TDC per propeller revolution. 3 times for a 3 rotor, and 4 times for a 4 rotor.

 

A 2 rotor with a 2.78:1 reduction unit will see TDC 2 X 2.78 = 5.56 or about every 65 degrees of prop rotation. 

 

This suggests that hand propping might be more difficult because of the mechanical disadvantage of the reduction unit, and should the engine fire, the length of time available to remove your hand might be very short, should the very next rotor face fire as well.

 

Lynn E. Hanover 

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