X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.48] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.8) with ESMTP id 4380635 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 04 Jul 2010 19:07:38 -0400 Received-SPF: error receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.48; envelope-from=gregw@onestopdesign.biz Received: from omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dywb1e0021bwxycA5z71nj; Sun, 04 Jul 2010 23:07:01 +0000 Received: from gregiv ([75.149.32.218]) by omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dz6z1e0074iNSnf8ez70Qr; Sun, 04 Jul 2010 23:07:00 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Greg Ward" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 16:09:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0367_01CB1B93.4AF713C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0367_01CB1B93.4AF713C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hee, hee, hee, we'll see. G. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Bradburry=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 10:23 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests So that will be the first VTOL Legacy! :>) =20 B2 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Greg Ward Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 12:23 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests =20 I hear that, problem is, our goal is somewhere around 400-450 HP (at = take-off)in a Legacy, with around 280-300 ktas at 15-25K+ feet, and we = don't like unknowns. Want to debug as much as possible on the ground, = life's too short. Greg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Bradburry=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 8:28 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests =20 Hmmm, so now you know why I am gonna have to do without it. :>) =20 Bill B =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Greg Ward Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 11:27 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests =20 About $3000.00 close. Everything's built. Dyno time ain't cheap = out here. Shortly I hope. G. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Bradburry=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 7:20 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests =20 Greg, How close are you to dynoing your engine? =20 Bill B =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Greg Ward Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 8:59 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests =20 A copy please sir. Greg Ward ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kelly Troyer=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 2:04 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests =20 =20 Group, Being a pack rat and Rotary freak I never throw anything = about our favorite engine.........In my never ceasing endevor to get organized I refound the attached = 13B dyno sheets sent to me by Bill Jongbloed in the late 1980's when he was developing the 13B = and a prop reduction unit for sale..........I guess the effort did not make it as I have not = heard of any Jongbloed engines ever flying.......... =20 The first sheet tells a little of Bill's opinions on engines = and power in general then 13B's in particular.............The 2nd sheet is an aircraft version = turbocharged 13B.............Note the power at modest boost levels............Max corrected 202.7 hp at 6500 = rpm and 8.93 in/merc (4.39 psi) boost..........The 3rd sheet is a IMSA racing 13B (naturally = aspirated) built to last only "6" hours=20 developing 327.9 hp at 9250 rpm..............I have scanned = them to my computer but each is 700=20 to 1000 kb and so far I am not computer savy enough to reduce = size............Will send them to=20 anyone interested..............FWIW =20 Kelly Troyer "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0367_01CB1B93.4AF713C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hee, hee, hee, we'll=20 see.
G.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill=20 Bradburry
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 = 10:23=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Interestng 13B=20 Dyno Tests

So that = will be the=20 first VTOL Legacy!   :>)

 

B2

 

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of Greg Ward
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 = 12:23=20 AM
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Interestng 13B=20 Dyno Tests

 

I = hear that,=20 problem is, our goal is somewhere around 400-450 HP (at take-off)in a = Legacy,=20 with around 280-300 ktas at 15-25K+ feet, and we don't like = unknowns. =20 Want to debug as much as possible on the ground, life's too=20 short.

Greg

----- Original Message = -----=20

From: Bill=20 Bradburry

To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20

Sent:=20 Saturday, July 03, 2010 8:28 PM

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno = Tests

 

Hmmm, so = now you=20 know why I am gonna have to do without it. =20 :>)

 

Bill=20 B

 

From:=20 Rotary motors in = aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of Greg Ward
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 = 11:27=20 PM
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Interestng 13B=20 Dyno Tests

 

About=20 $3000.00 close.  Everything's built.  Dyno time ain't = cheap out=20 here.  Shortly I hope.

G.

----- Original = Message -----=20

From: Bill=20 Bradburry

To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20

Sent:=20 Saturday, July 03, 2010 7:20 PM

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno=20 Tests

 

Greg,

How = close are you=20 to dynoing your engine?

 

Bill=20 B

 

From:=20 Rotary motors in = aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of Greg Ward
Sent: Saturday, July 03, = 2010 8:59=20 PM
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Interestng=20 13B Dyno Tests

 

A copy=20 please sir.

Greg=20 Ward

----- Original = Message -----=20

From: Kelly = Troyer=20

To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20

Sent:=20 Saturday, July 03, 2010 2:04 = PM

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno=20 Tests

 

 

Group,

   =20 Being a pack rat and Rotary freak I never throw anything = about our=20 favorite engine.........In my

never=20 ceasing endevor to get organized I refound the attached 13B dyno = sheets=20 sent to me by

Bill=20 Jongbloed in the late 1980's when he was developing the 13B and = a prop=20 reduction unit for

sale..........I=20 guess the effort did not make it as I have not heard of any = Jongbloed=20 engines ever

flying..........

 

  =20 The first sheet tells a little of Bill's opinions on = engines and=20 power in general then 13B's = in

particular.............The 2nd=20 sheet is an aircraft version turbocharged = 13B.............Note=20 the power

at = modest=20 boost levels............Max corrected 202.7 hp at 6500=20 rpm and 8.93 in/merc (4.39=20 psi)

boost..........The=20 3rd sheet is a IMSA racing 13B (naturally aspirated) built to = last only=20 "6" hours

developing=20 327.9 hp at 9250 rpm..............I  have scanned them to = my=20 computer but each is 700 =

to 1000=20 kb and so far I am not computer savy enough to reduce=20 size............Will send them to =

anyone=20 interested..............FWIW

   

Kelly=20 Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY=20 Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold = =

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