X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net ([207.115.11.53] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.8) with ESMTP id 4380421 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:24:29 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.115.11.53; envelope-from=bbradburry@bellsouth.net Received: from desktop (adsl-85-113-57.mco.bellsouth.net[98.85.113.57]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20100704172350H03002u479e>; Sun, 4 Jul 2010 17:23:51 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [98.85.113.57] From: "Bill Bradburry" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 13:23:52 -0400 Message-ID: <222C06821EE349DB801112FECB2B1852@Desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01CB1B7C.255EDE20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcsbMFIZRYC3MXb5QuaNUxX3xqmjTgAbNQWg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CB1B7C.255EDE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So that will be the first VTOL Legacy! :>) B2 _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Greg Ward Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 12:23 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests I hear that, problem is, our goal is somewhere around 400-450 HP (at take-off)in a Legacy, with around 280-300 ktas at 15-25K+ feet, and we don't like unknowns. Want to debug as much as possible on the ground, life's too short. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bradburry To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 8:28 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests Hmmm, so now you know why I am gonna have to do without it. :>) Bill B _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Greg Ward Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 11:27 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests About $3000.00 close. Everything's built. Dyno time ain't cheap out here. Shortly I hope. G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bradburry To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 7:20 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests Greg, How close are you to dynoing your engine? Bill B _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Greg Ward Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 8:59 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests A copy please sir. Greg Ward ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelly Troyer To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 2:04 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests Group, Being a pack rat and Rotary freak I never throw anything about our favorite engine.........In my never ceasing endevor to get organized I refound the attached 13B dyno sheets sent to me by Bill Jongbloed in the late 1980's when he was developing the 13B and a prop reduction unit for sale..........I guess the effort did not make it as I have not heard of any Jongbloed engines ever flying.......... The first sheet tells a little of Bill's opinions on engines and power in general then 13B's in particular.............The 2nd sheet is an aircraft version turbocharged 13B.............Note the power at modest boost levels............Max corrected 202.7 hp at 6500 rpm and 8.93 in/merc (4.39 psi) boost..........The 3rd sheet is a IMSA racing 13B (naturally aspirated) built to last only "6" hours developing 327.9 hp at 9250 rpm..............I have scanned them to my computer but each is 700 to 1000 kb and so far I am not computer savy enough to reduce size............Will send them to anyone interested..............FWIW Kelly Troyer "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CB1B7C.255EDE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So that will be the first VTOL = Legacy!   :>)

 

B2

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Greg Ward
Sent: Sunday, July 04, = 2010 12:23 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests

 

I hear = that, problem is, our goal is somewhere around 400-450 HP (at take-off)in a = Legacy, with around 280-300 ktas at 15-25K+ feet, and we don't like = unknowns.  Want to debug as much as possible on the ground, life's too = short.

Greg

----- Original Message ----- =

Sent: = Saturday, July 03, 2010 8:28 PM

Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests

 

Hmmm, so now you know why I am = gonna have to do without it.  :>)

 

Bill B

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Greg Ward
Sent: Saturday, July 03, = 2010 11:27 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests

 

About = $3000.00 close.  Everything's built.  Dyno time ain't cheap out = here.  Shortly I hope.

G.=

----- Original Message ----- =

Sent: = Saturday, July 03, 2010 7:20 PM

Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests

 

Greg,

How close are you to dynoing your = engine?

 

Bill B

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Greg Ward
Sent: Saturday, July 03, = 2010 8:59 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests

 

A copy = please sir.

Greg = Ward

----- Original Message ----- =

From: Kelly Troyer =

Sent: = Saturday, July 03, 2010 2:04 PM

Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests

 

 

Group,

  &n= bsp; Being a pack rat and Rotary freak I never throw anything about our favorite engine.........In my

never ceasing = endevor to get organized I refound the attached 13B dyno sheets sent to me = by

Bill = Jongbloed in the late 1980's when he was developing the 13B and a prop reduction unit = for

sale..........= I guess the effort did not make it as I have not heard of any Jongbloed engines = ever

flying........= ..

 

   = The first sheet tells a little of Bill's opinions on engines and power in = general then 13B's in

particular....= .........The 2nd sheet is an aircraft version turbocharged 13B.............Note the power

at modest = boost levels............Max corrected 202.7 hp at 6500 rpm and 8.93 = in/merc (4.39 psi)

boost.........= .The 3rd sheet is a IMSA racing 13B (naturally aspirated) built to last only "6" hours

developing = 327.9 hp at 9250 rpm..............I  have scanned them to my computer but each is 700

to 1000 = kb and so far I am not computer savy enough to reduce size............Will send = them to

anyone interested..............FWIW

  &n= bsp;

Kelly = Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

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