X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.64] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.8) with ESMTP id 4380106 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 04 Jul 2010 00:21:03 -0400 Received-SPF: error receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.64; envelope-from=gregw@onestopdesign.biz Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dg7t1e00516AWCUA7gLTpd; Sun, 04 Jul 2010 04:20:27 +0000 Received: from gregiv ([75.149.32.218]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dgLS1e0034iNSnf8SgLSRc; Sun, 04 Jul 2010 04:20:26 +0000 Message-ID: <680E78E6480A4A1B82EA4DF292381600@yosemite.onestopdesign.biz> From: "Greg Ward" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 21:22:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02EC_01CB1AF5.E63C43D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02EC_01CB1AF5.E63C43D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hear that, problem is, our goal is somewhere around 400-450 HP (at = take-off)in a Legacy, with around 280-300 ktas at 15-25K+ feet, and we = don't like unknowns. Want to debug as much as possible on the ground, = life's too short. Greg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Bradburry=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 8:28 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests Hmmm, so now you know why I am gonna have to do without it. :>) =20 Bill B =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Greg Ward Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 11:27 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests =20 About $3000.00 close. Everything's built. Dyno time ain't cheap out = here. Shortly I hope. G. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Bradburry=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 7:20 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests =20 Greg, How close are you to dynoing your engine? =20 Bill B =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Greg Ward Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 8:59 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests =20 A copy please sir. Greg Ward ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kelly Troyer=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 2:04 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno Tests =20 =20 Group, Being a pack rat and Rotary freak I never throw anything about = our favorite engine.........In my never ceasing endevor to get organized I refound the attached 13B = dyno sheets sent to me by Bill Jongbloed in the late 1980's when he was developing the 13B = and a prop reduction unit for sale..........I guess the effort did not make it as I have not = heard of any Jongbloed engines ever flying.......... =20 The first sheet tells a little of Bill's opinions on engines = and power in general then 13B's in particular.............The 2nd sheet is an aircraft version = turbocharged 13B.............Note the power at modest boost levels............Max corrected 202.7 hp at 6500 = rpm and 8.93 in/merc (4.39 psi) boost..........The 3rd sheet is a IMSA racing 13B (naturally = aspirated) built to last only "6" hours=20 developing 327.9 hp at 9250 rpm..............I have scanned them = to my computer but each is 700=20 to 1000 kb and so far I am not computer savy enough to reduce = size............Will send them to=20 anyone interested..............FWIW =20 Kelly Troyer "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20 ------=_NextPart_000_02EC_01CB1AF5.E63C43D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I hear that, problem is, = our goal is=20 somewhere around 400-450 HP (at take-off)in a Legacy, with around = 280-300 ktas=20 at 15-25K+ feet, and we don't like unknowns.  Want to debug as much = as=20 possible on the ground, life's too short.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill=20 Bradburry
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 = 8:28=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Interestng 13B=20 Dyno Tests

Hmmm, so = now you know=20 why I am gonna have to do without it. =20 :>)

 

Bill=20 B

 

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of Greg Ward
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 = 11:27=20 PM
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Interestng 13B=20 Dyno Tests

 

About=20 $3000.00 close.  Everything's built.  Dyno time ain't cheap = out=20 here.  Shortly I hope.

G.

----- Original Message = -----=20

From: Bill=20 Bradburry

To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20

Sent:=20 Saturday, July 03, 2010 7:20 PM

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno = Tests

 

Greg,

How close = are you=20 to dynoing your engine?

 

Bill=20 B

 

From:=20 Rotary motors in = aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of Greg Ward
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 = 8:59=20 PM
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Interestng 13B=20 Dyno Tests

 

A = copy=20 please sir.

Greg=20 Ward

----- Original = Message -----=20

From: Kelly = Troyer=20

To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20

Sent:=20 Saturday, July 03, 2010 2:04 PM

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Interestng 13B Dyno=20 Tests

 

 

Group,

   =20 Being a pack rat and Rotary freak I never throw anything = about our=20 favorite engine.........In my

never ceasing=20 endevor to get organized I refound the attached 13B dyno sheets = sent to me=20 by

Bill = Jongbloed=20 in the late 1980's when he was developing the 13B and a prop = reduction=20 unit for

sale..........I=20 guess the effort did not make it as I have not heard of any = Jongbloed=20 engines ever

flying..........

 

  =20 The first sheet tells a little of Bill's opinions on engines = and=20 power in general then 13B's in

particular.............The 2nd=20 sheet is an aircraft version turbocharged = 13B.............Note=20 the power

at = modest=20 boost levels............Max corrected 202.7 hp at 6500=20 rpm and 8.93 in/merc (4.39=20 psi)

boost..........The=20 3rd sheet is a IMSA racing 13B (naturally aspirated) built to last = only=20 "6" hours

developing=20 327.9 hp at 9250 rpm..............I  have scanned them to my = computer=20 but each is 700

to 1000=20 kb and so far I am not computer savy enough to reduce = size............Will=20 send them to

anyone=20 interested..............FWIW

   

Kelly=20 Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY=20 Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20 =

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