X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao101.cox.net ([68.230.241.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.8) with ESMTP id 4364125 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 20 Jun 2010 12:09:00 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.45; envelope-from=rv-4mike@cox.net Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100620160822.NUJW2579.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2010 12:08:22 -0400 Received: from willsPC ([174.66.165.141]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id YG8C1e00E33Mw6603G8Phr; Sun, 20 Jun 2010 12:08:23 -0400 X-VR-Score: 0.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=k7jaaYEQcGvX9B5M6EktEjGqY4ZZqDlHZMKZmLX9HhA= c=1 sm=1 a=jvqbpBl3K0gA:10 a=hO-oPbc3tlwA:10 a=YndN1mfUGc/ekvXaxFpSiw==:17 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=ZsCOyemgVgCzZTk29YcA:9 a=QwZ1OUZsKWVKzxDuLGOt1LL-W7MA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=t08O1qewDE_xRno_:21 a=vrsY1aHdJnlzBjPS:21 a=pedpZTtsAAAA:8 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=CK2gEFXnZcym_LOOQZAA:9 a=yMJiybzK_QfDc2ZZ0Y4A:7 a=XBHo9O98_4NW8Zo28F04Y11Lx3kA:4 a=eJojReuL3h0A:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=5DOKavY0z1dZ1jVH:21 a=YicbnWjbYrQzBey_:21 a=YndN1mfUGc/ekvXaxFpSiw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <2C6DDBB0E0C54670855D611C0CAAE9F3@willsPC> From: "Mike Wills" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Peripheral Port 13B Rotary Engine Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 09:08:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0383_01CB1058.1C5D8AD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0383_01CB1058.1C5D8AD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not a lot of detail in the email he sent to Paul's list. Just that the = aircraft departed the runway on landing, tumbled, and burned. I assume a = controllability/pilot error event rather than an engine related problem. = I believe the airplane had previously had a similar event which required = some significant repair work. Tracy may know more about both the accident and the PP installation. I = recall from a post not too long ago that Tracy mentioned the engine = installation seemed to be producing less than expected HP. But I don't = think it had enough testing to work all the bugs out. I still think that once somebody gets one of these PP 2 rotor engines = dialed in it has the potential to be awesome. Hoping that Bill Jepson's = efforts work out. I'd love to have 200+ HP and less weight in my RV. Mike Wills From: Bill Bradburry=20 Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 7:17 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Peripheral Port 13B Rotary Engine Do you have any info on the recent "totaled" event?? =20 Bill B =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of Mike Wills Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 12:45 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Peripheral Port 13B Rotary Engine =20 Mark Supinski was flying a P-port Renesis, but that aircraft (Mustang 2 = I think?) was recently totalled. I don't think he ever got it sorted out = and early performance numbers werent spectacular, but he was based near = Denver I think so altitude was a factor. =20 Best reasons I can think of to PP? Power potential and ease of intake = construction/design. Paul L had Mazdatrix dyno a PP Renesis and I think = the HP was up around 245 at about 7200RPM. Not sure why he chose to go = to PP on a Renesis with the side port exhaust rather than a 13B with the = PP exhaust. I'd think that the 13B would be the better choice. =20 Someday I'm thinking I'll build up a PP 13B with RD-1C to swap with my = current 4 port 13B with RD-1A. Waiting to see how Mark's 20B works out. =20 Mike Wills=20 =20 From: Kelly Troyer=20 Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 11:42 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Peripheral Port 13B Rotary Engine =20 Bob, You need to address this question to Mark Steitle who is flying his = 20B P port in his Lancair ES in Austin..............I am not aware of anyone = currently flying a=20 P port 13B................ =20 Kelly Troyer "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20 =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: "Rogers, Bob J." To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Fri, June 18, 2010 11:56:17 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Peripheral Port 13B Rotary Engine =20 Is anyone flying with a Mazda 13B peripheral port engine? If so, how is = it working? Can you describe the advantages and disadvantages? =20 Thanks, =20 Bob Rogers ------=_NextPart_000_0383_01CB1058.1C5D8AD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not a lot of detail in the email he sent to = Paul's list.=20 Just that the aircraft departed the runway on landing, tumbled, and = burned. I=20 assume a controllability/pilot error event rather than an engine related = problem. I believe the airplane had previously had a similar event which = required some significant repair work.
 
Tracy may know more about both the accident = and the PP=20 installation. I recall from a post not too long ago that Tracy mentioned = the=20 engine installation seemed to be producing less than expected HP. But I = don=92t=20 think it had enough testing to work all the bugs out.
 
I still think that once somebody gets one of = these PP 2=20 rotor engines dialed in it has the potential to be awesome. Hoping that = Bill=20 Jepson's efforts work out. I'd love to have 200+ HP and less weight in = my=20 RV.
 
Mike Wills

Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 7:17 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Peripheral Port 13B Rotary=20 Engine

Do you have = any info on=20 the recent =93totaled=94 event??

 

Bill=20 B

 

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of Mike Wills
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 12:45 = AM
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Peripheral = Port 13B Rotary=20 Engine

 

Mark Supinski was flying = a P-port=20 Renesis, but that aircraft (Mustang 2 I think?) was recently totalled. I = don=92t=20 think he ever got it sorted out and early performance numbers werent=20 spectacular, but he was based near Denver I think so altitude was a=20 factor.

 

Best reasons I can think = of to PP?=20 Power potential and ease of intake construction/design. Paul L had = Mazdatrix=20 dyno a PP Renesis and I think the HP was up around 245 at about 7200RPM. = Not=20 sure why he chose to go to PP on a Renesis with the side port = exhaust=20 rather than a 13B with the PP exhaust. I'd think that the 13B would be = the=20 better choice.

 

Someday I'm thinking = I'll build up=20 a PP 13B with RD-1C to swap with my current 4 port 13B with RD-1A. = Waiting to=20 see how Mark's 20B works out.

 

Mike=20 Wills 

 

From: Kelly Troyer=20

Sent: Saturday,=20 June 19, 2010 11:42 AM

To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Peripheral Port 13B Rotary=20 Engine

 

Bob,

  You need to address this question to = Mark Steitle=20 who is flying his 20B P port

in his Lancair ES in Austin..............I am not aware of = anyone=20 currently flying a

P port=20 13B................

 

Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY=20 Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20

 

 

From: "Rogers,=20 Bob J." <BRogers@FDIC.gov>
To: Rotary motors=20 in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, June 18, 2010 11:56:17 = AM
Subject: = [FlyRotary]=20 Peripheral=20 Port 13B Rotary=20 Engine

 

Is anyone = flying with a=20 Mazda 13B peripheral port engine?  If so, how is it working?  = Can you=20 describe the advantages and disadvantages?

 

Thanks,

 

Bob=20 Rogers

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