X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-vw0-f52.google.com ([209.85.212.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.7) with ESMTP id 4346245 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:52:19 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.212.52; envelope-from=david.staten@gmail.com Received: by vws3 with SMTP id 3so1134958vws.25 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:51:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RvxoyfRiCbnrV90c3WqonieVMEfq8xG0b5Fg+pXq0ws=; b=wGpjgUOULnggS/25Y3kgmEcJqMxTcGwFxtN/BMFdwiXWms0QLf6fU8XrLCCv2JxWJR +igN7gzfaqHkQrbk1HeCkJWCUWSPmxyc6ZTDTgl6KAxKRrh7ZnkiQWyvLU/gpkezzNRa L1ITxMn/xavZ8XaXJFeqNdNmWyK5E5nx7piYY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CLl1TXapo7RYyRJVk+XFMEzv58s0J39kvRWaVt6bvCtg066sxYUb7qHg4EThBDCGg6 fuXC78gMD+XMwzrrutOmsMoyA7ctDm9DGPRmN0GnL7QcKguGB8WJKEm5g/ohAzSEdCDN B0xHavmV4p8ygB8KVN+W/X4pEz/AH/YjQMDl0= Received: by 10.220.127.79 with SMTP id f15mr2116059vcs.131.1276458704700; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:51:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.80.142.154]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h17sm3194098vcr.27.2010.06.13.12.51.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C1536DD.8070700@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 14:51:57 -0500 From: Dave User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Not surprised, but still disappointing...Mistral dimise References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can assure you they dont. It took quite a few emails just to make contact with someone to buy their intake years ago. If they cant check email, they sure aren't on small, niche list-servs... even those that are competing with their bottom line. .. Dave Dwayne Parkinson wrote: > I sure hope the Mistral executives monitor this board and take to > heart some of the input you guys are providing. Perhaps with the FAA > problems they will reconsider the experimental world instead of going > after government contracts or whatever else they were trying to do. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* "wrjjrs@aol.com" > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Sent:* Fri, June 11, 2010 12:41:57 PM > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Not surprised, but still > disappointing...Mistral dimise > > George, and Group, > > I am very saddened by the demise of Mistral. I believe that there is > a good market for a sound Rotary engine conversion. George, I AM > listening. In fact I have been researching some net techniques that > may make several "wish list" parts possible. First the basics though. > We intend to make a good p-port conversion with no epoxy and proper > seals on the port insert. (O-rings) The lightweight > sideplates/end-housings in steel. But first I need to make a comment > that I believe is CRITICAL to success. This is a comment that is the > very essence of the reason why many of these ventures fail. Even ones > with very good products like Mistral. > The comment is that anyone producing a new or conversion technology > engine must absolutely expect it to sell for LESS than a Lycoming or > Continental, otherwise there is no REASONABLE EXPECTATION that people > will buy it. Some people might be enticed by a new or better > technology, but never enough people to make the venture a success. My > best estimate is that you will need to be profitable at a price of > about 1/2 that of certified aircraft engines. > > Bill Jepson > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Lendich > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Sent: Thu, Jun 10, 2010 2:54 pm > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Not surprised, but still > disappointing...Mistral dimise > > Now that is bad, not that I could afford Mistral parts > *IF* they were available, but the exposure of a commercially available > certified rotary, would do the a great deal of good, for the rest of > us wanting to see further development of the rotary in Aviation. > > I guess we will have to rely on people like Bill Jepson and his > partner to come up with the goods. > > I have suggested to Bill that possibly the rotor weight could be > reduced by using the oven brazed technology and chrome molley. > > I also believe that a bellhousing could be done in the same way and > have it designed to be the engine mount as well - are you listening Bill? > > I wish I had an understanding of the processes 10 years ago, when Bill > and I started communicating. > George (down under) > > Gee, I wonder if they will sell inventory/parts to us side intake > types. I do have their intake already and like it. > > http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100609mistral.html > > All the best, > > Chris Barber > Houston, GSOT > >