X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.7) with ESMTP id 4344972 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:35:24 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.41; envelope-from=WRJJRS@aol.com Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o5BMYZHe030610 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:34:35 -0400 Received: from WRJJRS@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id q.d89.c8e19e2 (56033) for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.150]) by cia-md08.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD087-5c6b4c12b9f21f5; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:34:30 -0400 Received: from webmail-m058 (webmail-m058.sim.aol.com [64.12.158.158]) by smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB031-5c6b4c12b9f21f5; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:34:26 -0400 References: To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Not surprised, but still disappointing...Mistral dimise Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:34:26 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 65.113.35.181 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: wrjjrs@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CCD7CD620400A4_1198_80B1_webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31888-STANDARD Received: from 65.113.35.181 by webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com (64.12.158.158) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:34:26 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCD7CD61FA7B20-1198-54B7@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: WRJJRS@aol.com ----------MB_8CCD7CD620400A4_1198_80B1_webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Monty,=20 The saying, "My momma didn't raise no fools" comes to mind. I know all abo= ut the perils of production. With regards to Tracy, I'm sure he is a great= guy, but you couldn't pay me enough to trouble-shoot customer assembled= electronics! I am not looking to do even 1/2 of the things you listed, ra= ther I just want to put together the parts needed for a good FWF Mechanica= l package. At that point the people can do with it what they wish. I don't= want a big score perhaps just making my hobby break even. Bill Jepson -----Original Message----- From: MONTY ROBERTS To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 3:11 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Not surprised, but still disappointing...Mistral= dimise Hey! if I wanted a bunch of passive agreement, I'd talk to myself.=20 =20 I agree, you have to be ready to deliver before you start the press releas= e gambit. When I can go on your website, enter my info, make a transaction= and parts show up on my step the next week you will sell some parts. Once= you have a track record as a going concern, maybe enough resources to fie= ld an NXT with your engine in it and spank some LYCON booty at Reno a few= times. A factory demo aircraft to take people flying in, and a balance sh= eet to prove you aren't going to disappear with the next downturn AND you= pass certification, then you can probably get in to talk to somebody at= an airframe manufacturer. If that is your goal, I suggest you draw up a= plan to achieve it. I think you will be stunned at how much money it will= take. I think you can make a go of it making a run of parts now and then= like Tracy and do OK. Ask Tracy how much he enjoys being technical suppor= t sometime ;-) =20 The wonderful thing about the marketplace (as long as there is one) is you= are free to go out and prove me wrong. I would do a serious case study of= all the other companies that have tried this first from a business standp= oint...not technical. On the technical aspects we agree. The business....n= ot so much.=20 =20 I'll cheer for you. Just don't mortgage the farm on it.=20 =20 Monty ----- Original Message -----=20 From: wrjjrs@aol.com=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 4:08 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Not surprised, but still disappointing...Mistral= dimise Monty, I disagree on some points, but that is life. Still my feeling is that your= best bet would be in the homebuilt market. I think pushing for certificat= ion is crazy until you have customers and a track record. You're correct= that you would have a tough nut to crack in the STC world. I don't think= you can make a go of that EVER. I do think you can get manufacturers to= install a new certified engine in a new airframe often enough to survive,= just barely. I am mostly in agreement here... I think you're going to hav= e the best luck in the homebuilt market if your engine has advantages in= weight, compactness, multi-fuel capability, BSFC or power. I believe that= a properly configured rotary can hit several of those. The key is to have= tested the engine and FWF so that when a customer asks when he can take= delivery your answer is, "When your check clears." All this years of wait= ing baloney just killls any enthusiam for a new product. You absolutely MU= ST be ready to hit the gate running or you'll never get anywhere. Bill Jepson -----Original Message----- From: MONTY ROBERTS To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 12:54 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Not surprised, but still disappointing...Mistral= dimise ----------MB_8CCD7CD620400A4_1198_80B1_webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Monty,
The saying, "My momma didn't raise no fools" comes to mind. I know al= l about the perils of production. With regards to Tracy, I'm sure he is a= great guy, but you couldn't pay me enough to trouble-shoot customer assem= bled electronics! I am not looking to do even 1/2 of the things you listed= , rather I just want to put together the parts needed for a good FWF Mecha= nical package. At that point the people can do with it what they wish. I= don't want a big score perhaps just making my hobby break even.
Bill Jepson



-----Original Message-----
From: MONTY ROBERTS <montyr2157@windstream.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 3:11 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Not surprised, but still disappointing...Mistral= dimise

Hey! if I wanted a bunch of passive agree= ment, I'd talk to myself.
 
I agree, you have to be ready to deliver= before you start the press release gambit. When I can go on your website,= enter my info, make a transaction and parts show up on my step the next= week you will sell some parts. Once you have a track record as a going co= ncern, maybe enough resources to field an NXT with your engine in it= and spank some LYCON booty at Reno a few times. A factory demo aircr= aft to take people flying in, and a balance sheet to prove you aren't goin= g to disappear with the next downturn AND you pass certification, then you= can probably get in to talk to somebody at an airframe manufacturer. If= that is your goal, I suggest you draw up a plan to achieve it. I think yo= u will be stunned at how much money it will take. I think you can make a= go of it making a run of parts now and then like Tracy and do OK. Ask Tra= cy how much he enjoys being technical support sometime ;-)
 
The wonderful thing about the marketplace= (as long as there is one) is you are free to go out and prove me wrong.= I would do a serious case study of all the other companies that have trie= d this first from a business standpoint...not technical. On the technical= aspects we agree. The business....not so much.
 
I'll cheer for you. Just don't mortg= age the farm on it.
 
Monty
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 4:08 PM=
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Not surpri= sed, but still disappointing...Mistral dimise

Monty,
I disagree on some points, but that is life. Still my feeling is that= your best bet would be in the homebuilt market. I think pushing for certi= fication is crazy until you have customers and a track record. You're corr= ect that you would have a tough nut to crack in the STC world. I don't thi= nk you can make a go of that EVER. I do think you can get manufacturers to= install a new certified engine in a new airframe often enough to survive,= just barely. I am mostly in agreement here... I think you're going to hav= e the best luck in the homebuilt market if your engine has advantages in= weight, compactness, multi-fuel capability, BSFC or power. I believe= that a properly configured rotary can hit several of those. The key is to= have tested the engine and FWF so that when a customer asks whe= n he can take delivery your answer is, "When your check clears." All this= years of waiting baloney just killls any enthusiam for a new product. You= absolutely MUST be ready to hit the gate running or you'll never get anyw= here.
Bill Jepson

-----Original Message-----
From: MONTY ROBERTS <monty= r2157@windstream.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 12:54 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Not surprised, but still disappointing...Mistral= dimise

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