X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [162.39.147.112] (HELO pacmmta53-srv.windstream.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.7) with ESMTP id 4344958 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:12:24 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=162.39.147.112; envelope-from=montyr2157@windstream.net Return-Path: X-WS-COS: WSOB804 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=QWDCDOhhYgOYQhB31rkCBA/n12NRqQ4LrTkXHxyFXNg= c=1 sm=0 a=EhgerxaPtAAA:10 a=Lw_SFsgOoS4A:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=Ef4DERIkKzDXuIJK-JUA:9 a=evoGT5lVDfD9b5rO7TYA:7 a=6hDUSx4NR1oHCtNmX1gecp9dQgMA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=TlnOPt13aEMA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=kyYN1QnqBtqH_X1ryzIA:9 a=EBSJPaanBMkJ254miYYA:7 a=PUAnVVizCQqqDixqItM1yCqiPfcA:4 a=UpHcJg0JsJ3QNDxOu1HnOg==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=montyr2157; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.20.128.126] ([98.20.128.126:60920] helo=newbox) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.45 r()) with ESMTPA id AF/AE-25034-4A4B21C4; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:11:49 -0400 Message-ID: <95E2CE33AAFA4E3D968CCBABD3BE7059@newbox> From: "MONTY ROBERTS" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Not surprised, but still disappointing...Mistral dimise Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:11:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01CB0989.2C563D90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CB0989.2C563D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey! if I wanted a bunch of passive agreement, I'd talk to myself.=20 I agree, you have to be ready to deliver before you start the press = release gambit. When I can go on your website, enter my info, make a = transaction and parts show up on my step the next week you will sell = some parts. Once you have a track record as a going concern, maybe = enough resources to field an NXT with your engine in it and spank some = LYCON booty at Reno a few times. A factory demo aircraft to take people = flying in, and a balance sheet to prove you aren't going to disappear = with the next downturn AND you pass certification, then you can probably = get in to talk to somebody at an airframe manufacturer. If that is your = goal, I suggest you draw up a plan to achieve it. I think you will be = stunned at how much money it will take. I think you can make a go of it = making a run of parts now and then like Tracy and do OK. Ask Tracy how = much he enjoys being technical support sometime ;-) The wonderful thing about the marketplace (as long as there is one) is = you are free to go out and prove me wrong. I would do a serious case = study of all the other companies that have tried this first from a = business standpoint...not technical. On the technical aspects we agree. = The business....not so much.=20 I'll cheer for you. Just don't mortgage the farm on it.=20 Monty ----- Original Message -----=20 From: wrjjrs@aol.com=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 4:08 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Not surprised, but still = disappointing...Mistral dimise Monty, I disagree on some points, but that is life. Still my feeling is that = your best bet would be in the homebuilt market. I think pushing for = certification is crazy until you have customers and a track record. = You're correct that you would have a tough nut to crack in the STC = world. I don't think you can make a go of that EVER. I do think you can = get manufacturers to install a new certified engine in a new airframe = often enough to survive, just barely. I am mostly in agreement here... I = think you're going to have the best luck in the homebuilt market if your = engine has advantages in weight, compactness, multi-fuel capability, = BSFC or power. I believe that a properly configured rotary can hit = several of those. The key is to have tested the engine and FWF so that = when a customer asks when he can take delivery your answer is, "When = your check clears." All this years of waiting baloney just killls any = enthusiam for a new product. You absolutely MUST be ready to hit the = gate running or you'll never get anywhere. Bill Jepson -----Original Message----- From: MONTY ROBERTS To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 12:54 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Not surprised, but still = disappointing...Mistral dimise ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CB0989.2C563D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey! if I wanted a bunch of passive = agreement, I'd=20 talk to myself.
 
I agree, you have to be ready to = deliver before you=20 start the press release gambit. When I can go on your website, enter my = info,=20 make a transaction and parts show up on my step the next week you will = sell some=20 parts. Once you have a track record as a going concern, maybe = enough=20 resources to field an NXT with your engine in it and spank = some LYCON booty=20 at Reno a few times. A factory demo aircraft to take people flying in, = and a=20 balance sheet to prove you aren't going to disappear with the next = downturn AND=20 you pass certification, then you can probably get in to talk to somebody = at an=20 airframe manufacturer. If that is your goal, I suggest you draw up a = plan to=20 achieve it. I think you will be stunned at how much money it will take. = I think=20 you can make a go of it making a run of parts now and then like Tracy = and do OK.=20 Ask Tracy how much he enjoys being technical support sometime = ;-)
 
The wonderful thing about the = marketplace (as long=20 as there is one) is you are free to go out and prove me wrong. I would = do a=20 serious case study of all the other companies that have tried this first = from a=20 business standpoint...not technical. On the technical aspects we agree. = The=20 business....not so much.
 
I'll cheer for you. Just don't = mortgage the=20 farm on it.
 
Monty
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 wrjjrs@aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 = 4:08 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Not = surprised,=20 but still disappointing...Mistral dimise

Monty,
I disagree on some points, but that is life. Still my feeling is = that=20 your best bet would be in the homebuilt market. I think pushing for=20 certification is crazy until you have customers and a track record. = You're=20 correct that you would have a tough nut to crack in the STC world. I = don't=20 think you can make a go of that EVER. I do think you can get = manufacturers to=20 install a new certified engine in a new airframe often enough to = survive, just=20 barely. I am mostly in agreement here... I think you're going to have = the best=20 luck in the homebuilt market if your engine has advantages in weight,=20 compactness, multi-fuel capability, BSFC or power. I believe that = a=20 properly configured rotary can hit several of those. The key is to = have=20 tested the engine and FWF so that when a customer asks when = he can=20 take delivery your answer is, "When your check clears." All this years = of=20 waiting baloney just killls any enthusiam for a new product. You = absolutely=20 MUST be ready to hit the gate running or you'll never get = anywhere.
Bill Jepson

-----Original Message-----
From: MONTY ROBERTS=20 <montyr2157@windstream.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 12:54=20 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Not surprised, but still=20 disappointing...Mistral dimise

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