X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao105.cox.net ([68.230.241.41] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.7) with ESMTP id 4320190 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 20 May 2010 01:07:36 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.41; envelope-from=rv-4mike@cox.net Received: from fed1rmimpo03.cox.net ([70.169.32.75]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100520050701.EHTH20564.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Thu, 20 May 2010 01:07:01 -0400 Received: from willsPC ([174.66.168.165]) by fed1rmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id Kh2a1e0073aSypJ04h2cr2; Thu, 20 May 2010 01:02:36 -0400 X-VR-Score: 0.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=J9nKiAzC1i4Zu+W6sBS6yxThnclaloco8GN1DV7uelw= c=1 sm=1 a=r1LsjpsLelcA:10 a=0qYQvVkOOIcA:10 a=QUPZLcLVOz1HnoVFXOM4wA==:17 a=YWISOAoqAAAA:8 a=him2KNNV4MdzY-3oufUA:9 a=kuzcuOORZLuv1tIGxWkA:7 a=ss0NE576JLqxioKAMLC16EcQy1EA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=VvPTdWEW8HYA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=Sn2MsxKSqTnLW--JTKoA:9 a=9xFqfXB92ICKJM4com4A:7 a=m-WfyAWAHRhPpWCwnnRBvhpsj74A:4 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=QUPZLcLVOz1HnoVFXOM4wA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Mike Wills" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: tehachapi [off subject] Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 22:06:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A3_01CAF79F.9975B7D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01CAF79F.9975B7D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Al, Those gliders are pretty hard to spot! Saturdays are the most popular = soaring days and there are probably more gliders in the air in CA than = anyplace else in the country this time of year. Tehachapi has a pretty = active glider port, there's another glider operation at California City = 20 miles east, another two further east towards Palmdale, and 50 miles = northeast at Inyokern. Sailplanes can be anywhere from a couple hundred = AGL to 18,000' in these areas. There are active wave windows when the = wave is working near Tehachapi and Cal City and there could be = sailplanes as high as 30,000' on a wave day. This area on up through the = Owens Valley and into the Great Basin is some of the best cross country = soaring in the world so gliders could be anywhere in the area. I'll be soaring in that same area memorial day weekend. Please keep an = eye out if you fly through soaring country in the summer! Mike Wills From: Al Gietzen=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 11:13 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: tehachapi [off subject] could have been me he was talking about at one time. I don't remember = the altitude here, but we made it to 16.5Kft with no engine. Had O2 for = going higher, but the wave was weak that day and we never could get into = the laminar layer. My Bladder was the limiting factor on staying up. = This is looking at California City, Edwards is at 2 O'clock. The Viggen = from the national test pilot school went screaming by about 1000K feet = below us on this flight, we talked to the tower at Edwards....pretty = cool. Awesome place for aviation.=20 Monty This was Sat.; about 15:00. My route was a few miles west of you, going = south. I was at 9500'; planning to climb to 11.5K as I approached the = mountains, but after the call, and looking at the terrain and the = clouds; I concluded the sail planes would more likely be 11K and up; so = I stayed at 9.5 which still gave me OK terrain clearance if I picked a = low spot. The ride was a bumpy, but apparently clear of the traffic. Al ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kevin lane=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 11:00 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] tehachapi [off subject] I attended a homebuilt sailplane convention in Tehachapi in my RV. = there is a tow pilot there who drops out of the sky in a Pawnee. I = witnessed this amazing feat while on final as he landed and got off the = runway in what appeared to be a controlled crash, actually leaving me = plenty of time to land. what a difference from my airport where the = 172's power in from 2 miles out, the barn doors dropped and we wait, and = wait..... KevinLane Carpentry www.KevinLaneCarpentry.com ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01CAF79F.9975B7D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Al,
 
Those gliders are pretty hard to spot! = Saturdays are the=20 most popular soaring days and there are probably more gliders in the air = in CA=20 than anyplace else in the country this time of year. Tehachapi has a = pretty=20 active glider port, there's another glider operation at California City = 20 miles=20 east, another two further east towards Palmdale, and 50 miles northeast = at=20 Inyokern. Sailplanes can be anywhere from a couple hundred AGL to = 18,000' in=20 these areas. There are active wave windows when the wave is working near = Tehachapi and Cal City and there could be sailplanes as high as 30,000' = on a=20 wave day. This area on up through the Owens Valley and into the Great = Basin is=20 some of the best cross country soaring in the world so gliders could be = anywhere=20 in the area.
 
I'll be soaring in that same area memorial day = weekend.=20 Please keep an eye out if you fly through soaring country in the=20 summer!
 
Mike Wills

From: Al Gietzen
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 11:13 AM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: tehachapi [off = subject]

could have been me he was = talking=20 about at one time. I don't remember the altitude here, but we = made it=20 to 16.5Kft with no engine. Had O2 for going higher, = but the=20 wave was weak that day and we never could get into the laminar layer. My = Bladder=20 was the limiting factor on staying up. This is looking at=20 California=20 City, = Edwards is at=20 2 = O'clock. The = Viggen from=20 the national test pilot school went screaming by about 1000K feet below = us on=20 this flight, we talked to the tower at Edwards....pretty cool. Awesome = place for=20 aviation. 

Monty

 

This was = Sat.; about=20 15:00.  My = route was=20 a few miles west of you, going south.  I was at 9500=92; planning = to climb to=20 11.5K as I approached the mountains, but after the call, and looking at = the=20 terrain and the clouds; I concluded the sail planes would more likely be = 11K and=20 up; so I stayed at 9.5 which still gave me OK terrain clearance if I = picked a=20 low spot.  The ride was a bumpy, but apparently clear of the=20 traffic.

 

Al

 

----- Original Message = -----=20

From: kevin = lane=20

To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20

Sent:=20 Wednesday, May 19,=20 2010 11:00 = AM

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] tehachapi [off subject]

 

I attended a = homebuilt=20 sailplane convention in Tehachapi in my RV.  there is a tow pilot = there=20 who drops out of the sky in a Pawnee.  I witnessed this amazing = feat=20 while on final as he landed and got off the runway in what appeared to = be a=20 controlled crash, actually leaving me plenty of time to land.  = what a=20 difference from my airport where the 172's power in from 2 miles out, = the barn=20 doors dropped and we wait, and wait.....

 

 

KevinLane=20 Carpentry
www.KevinLaneCarpentry.com=

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