X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.198.206] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.7) with SMTP id 4320192 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 20 May 2010 01:07:36 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.142.198.206; envelope-from=raycole@bellsouth.net Received: (qmail 24651 invoked from network); 20 May 2010 05:06:59 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.70] (raycole@99.94.134.21 with plain) by smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 22:06:59 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: DeBXruKswBAmOZ6snu.JSTVq7Oz4rN5VfEpI2I4NS33sJg-- X-YMail-OSG: .wKUpHEVM1mEJE_LUuAPiYe0g4HzX933LC8gbLXY8cdEfNL1KrmBR.qkfPxbsoSMXlywryYR_GFddgkwo4HKWuDmh67N_BGPNBIFEVze.ZNITO_eb8CtD68l8SZw6G0EWnBDoJEVkyhESUbSOgsAfxEp_qjEMs7Fkxi7tvvyNeiidh433.ONHqGITaYevh.U3EVfKZ3xTUEUWfiUm43I88dPWwEzEX9_9iRz7lrWBk8L6SmYIYoxwBLcIL.RfC.GKeIHTRJey_pFCEcTxY8gAw.YgkxY2llgpoxasqnbYfWja.GCr2S8ex8uerZaySMVBuhf X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4BF4C36F.8010108@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 00:06:55 -0500 From: Ray Cole User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: tehachapi [off subject] References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080800020502080702010606" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080800020502080702010606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Monty, This discussion brought back thoughts I had when I was active in our local Soaring group. I thought a three rotor would work well in the nose of our Piper Pawnee for towing. Your are correct in that the 0-540 engine does not make full TBO standards. The trick is at release to dump full flaps and slowly reduce power as the engine cools while diving for the runway. In a perfect launch, the temps and the flare occur at about the same. It is amazing that for the most part we were getting pretty good engine life. Good to see your post. Ray MONTY ROBERTS wrote: > Al, that picture was taken a few years back. I wish I had been out > there recently. Tehachapi is a neat little town. > > Monty > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Al Gietzen > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 19, 2010 1:13 PM > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: tehachapi [off subject] > > could have been me he was talking about at one time. I don't > remember the altitude here, but we made it to 16.5Kft with no > engine. Had O2 for going higher, but the wave was weak that day > and we never could get into the laminar layer. My Bladder was the > limiting factor on staying up. This is looking at California City, > Edwards is at 2 O'clock. The Viggen from the national test pilot > school went screaming by about 1000K feet below us on this flight, > we talked to the tower at Edwards....pretty cool. Awesome place > for aviation. > > Monty > > > > This was Sat.; about 15:00. My route was a few miles west of you, > going south. I was at 9500'; planning to climb to 11.5K as I > approached the mountains, but after the call, and looking at the > terrain and the clouds; I concluded the sail planes would more > likely be 11K and up; so I stayed at 9.5 which still gave me OK > terrain clearance if I picked a low spot. The ride was a bumpy, > but apparently clear of the traffic. > > > > Al > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* kevin lane > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 19, 2010 11:00 AM > > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] tehachapi [off subject] > > > > I attended a homebuilt sailplane convention in Tehachapi in my > RV. there is a tow pilot there who drops out of the sky in a > Pawnee. I witnessed this amazing feat while on final as he > landed and got off the runway in what appeared to be a > controlled crash, actually leaving me plenty of time to land. > what a difference from my airport where the 172's power in > from 2 miles out, the barn doors dropped and we wait, and > wait..... > > > > > > KevinLane Carpentry > www.KevinLaneCarpentry.com > --------------080800020502080702010606 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Monty,

This discussion brought back thoughts I had when I was active in our local Soaring group. I thought a three rotor would work well in the nose of our Piper Pawnee for towing. Your are correct in that the 0-540 engine does not make full TBO standards. The trick is at release to dump full flaps and slowly reduce power as the engine cools while diving for the runway. In a perfect launch, the temps and the flare occur at about the same. It is amazing that for the most part we were getting pretty good engine life.

Good to see your post.

Ray

MONTY ROBERTS wrote:
Al, that picture was taken a few years back. I wish I had been out there recently. Tehachapi is a neat little town.
 
Monty
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Gietzen
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 1:13 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: tehachapi [off subject]

could have been me he was talking about at one time. I don't remember the altitude here, but we made it to 16.5Kft with no engine. Had O2 for going higher, but the wave was weak that day and we never could get into the laminar layer. My Bladder was the limiting factor on staying up. This is looking at California City, Edwards is at 2 O'clock. The Viggen from the national test pilot school went screaming by about 1000K feet below us on this flight, we talked to the tower at Edwards....pretty cool. Awesome place for aviation. 

Monty

 

This was Sat.; about 15:00.  My route was a few miles west of you, going south.  I was at 9500’; planning to climb to 11.5K as I approached the mountains, but after the call, and looking at the terrain and the clouds; I concluded the sail planes would more likely be 11K and up; so I stayed at 9.5 which still gave me OK terrain clearance if I picked a low spot.  The ride was a bumpy, but apparently clear of the traffic.

 

Al

 

----- Original Message -----

From: kevin lane

Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 11:00 AM

Subject: [FlyRotary] tehachapi [off subject]

 

I attended a homebuilt sailplane convention in Tehachapi in my RV.  there is a tow pilot there who drops out of the sky in a Pawnee.  I witnessed this amazing feat while on final as he landed and got off the runway in what appeared to be a controlled crash, actually leaving me plenty of time to land.  what a difference from my airport where the 172's power in from 2 miles out, the barn doors dropped and we wait, and wait.....

 

 

KevinLane Carpentry
www.KevinLaneCarpentry.com

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